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Comentado por larkhainan

Please don't pollute wowhead with garbage like that. You can clearly look at the spell details here: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=42976 which very very clear states a 15 second buff. I'll leave the theorycrafting to people better at math, but seriously, click a couple links before you comment =(

edit : This comment was addressed to a comment which has since been deleted. I'm not responding to Shadowreunion. I have Executioner on my Torch of the damned and my general assessment is it's a nice pvp enchant / raiding enchant, but kinda sucks for farming. I'm a paladin, though.

Comentado por 93390

I submitted a pic of it from the test realms. Looks like Icy, with purple flecks coming out and the odd bolt of lightning.

The proc animation is a yellow swirl around the midsection of your body. I'll see if I can get a fraps running later.

Edit:
Ok just parsed 10 minutes of auto attack and 10 minutes of using instants.
Test was made duelling a tree druid who just healed himself as I auto attacking. 0 Haste, no seals, no instants.
Executioner proc'd 9 times and refreshed itself twice.

10 minutes of "instants" and Seal of Command.
Same test setup except I took off some AP/crit gear (to not accidentally kill the druid) and sealed SoC -> judge + reseal -> CS. Note this was not the maximum number of instants but I got lazy and just mashed macro then CS.
11 minute sample size, 16 procs, 8 refreshes.

Larger test to come when the servers can stay up for more than 10 minutes.

Comentado por tokyo

While doing testing, the proc self-refreshed determing that there is no hidden cooldown on the proc as of yet.

Keep in mind, this is still on the PTR so Blizzard could add a hidden cooldown.

Comentado por 93739

I assume that this will be the same as mongoose in that it also will not effect or proc off Ranged Weapons? Would've been nice.

Comentado por 64464

personaly i still rate mongoose above this enchant by far. Mongoose would also be better for pvp. Most fully geared paladins in arenas have 17k armour, 800 less would only make a 1% difference in damage or something small like that. I think the extra agility which would give extra crits, dodge and so on would be far better then this.

Comentado por 88948

I think that when it procs it's only procking on that attack so. Go This on Main hand and mongoose off-hand.

Comentado por zAce

Does this work in Druid forms or not?

Comentado por 69053

I have been testing this on the PTR on my rogue. Comparing basic observations of executioner vs. mongoose. The first thing that stuck out to me was that buff can only be up one at a time(Meaning that each weapon does not proc individually like the mongoose enchants). I did notice that they can refresh though. So having it on both weapons will increase the amount of time executioner is up, but will not double the effect.

After all of my testing I believe it will be most effective as a MH enchant with Mongoose applied to the OH. Since the affect of this combined with other armor penetrating items will produce more damage than the mongoose buff, applying it to the main hand will produce more damage for rogues because of the larger number of attacks with the main hand weapon.

Comentado por 97459

Anybody know if this will stack with the proc from "The Night Blade"?

Comentado por 88730

Does anyone know if this would beat out Savagery for a 2h weapon? Im a Ret Pally, and the agility off mongoose kinda sucks for me.

Comentado por Aris

does it PPM? ie: proc more often on slower weapons?

i'm interested in trying this over savagery on my deep thunder, but if it rarely procs on such slow weapons it may not be worth it.

Comentado por 61979

It seems that this + Mongoose will be a favorable enchant combo for rogues, now... just debating now; what enchant would generally be better to go onto MH/OH weapons? (My guess would be Mongoose on MH, Executioner OH)

Comentado por 103038

I want to talk a little bit for PvP.Savagery or Executioner(Savagery vs Executioner).With Savagery you get + 17.5-17.5dmg(as warrior) and about Executioner dmg depends whats the armor of your target.

Savagery:
For Example with my warrior in full Arena S2 gear on PvP MS build has 1734 AP(Unbuffed) with Savagery enchant on me, thats like ~1.009% constant increase of my dmg and As much AP you have the savagery gives you less % of damage for example with 2000 AP Savagery boost you ~0.875% of your whole dmg.That means as much AP you got less % of DMG boost.(Dont understand me wrong savagery always buff 17.5-17.5 +dmg increase if you are warrior but the % of dmg which I'm talking about is different with different AP)

Executioner:
The % of damage depends of the target that you attack.We can see what + % We get from Coconuter's calculations(which I get for correct) : http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p-p2GoLIggc7xJFZegWVhDA

The example with class-armor is very good and real because most the classes with full arena gear have almost ~the exact armor as the Coconuter's scale has.And if you fight target with 10k Armor for example 2H Warrior with Full Arena Gear the dmg increase is around 4% +damage.And Even If you fight Druid on Bear with 25k Armor(which is too much, usually resto druid in arena has like 16-17k on bear with the tallent Thick Hide who gave you +10% armor increase) the +% dmg boost is not less than 2% which is still more than Savagery.
On cloth user like Arena Geared Mage who has around 2500 with Armor buff and around 1700-1800 armor with no buffs the % of dmg Increase is lik 7-8% which is very good.

I dont really know whats the proc of the Executioner enchant, 15 secs is a good time and if the proc is good it worth to change your Savagery, since you are not so much Crowd Controlled and able to use the full time of your proc(or atleast 70% of the time).I am gonna definitely try the Executioner and If the proc is good I think it will be better than Savagery.

p.s.On different builds there can be some differences between the % Increase of Savagery but imo they wont be so big.And I am sorry about that I didnt write comment about other classes but you just can calculate what % of dmg increases Savagery on your class and then to compare it with the Coconut's ignore armor scale.And I am sorry that I didnt write a comment about the Moongoose but the % of dmg increase from this enchant depends a lot from your build(if we are talking about warrior) and the resilience of your target.I am sry in advance if you find some mistakes in my post it was too early in morning when i've wrote it(I've just tryed to help myself and to share my point of view with you) and I hope it will be usefull for you.And maybe sometimes I am gonna wright something about the Moongoose enchant buff on different warrior builds and targets.The choice is yours what enchant to use and what you prefere-proc(Executioner) or constant damage(Savagery) and are you so much crowd controlled(with the setup you play) so you wont be able to use the Executioner’s proc properly.

EDIT:After Test
I've tested the proc.And now I can give you exampl : In EotS Battleground I was zerging with heals and 90% of the time I was with the proc, It seems that it trigger on multiple targets I mean if you do Cleave+Whirlwind the proc chance is increased.And In arena I am very satisfied with it. And bensam I dont know how 5 minutes it didnt proc really its imposible that can happen only if you zerg and die in 1-2 secs.I personaly use S3 mace 3.6 speed and as I mention I am pretty much satisfied I dont know about these Five minutes I've tested also the proc rate outside of IF, only with Auto Attacks and it procs very good.Still i am pretty much convused about the "FIVE MINUTES". :) But everyone has personal opinion and If you dont like it put Savagery or other enchant. :)

Comentado por bensam123

Enough theocrafting. I purchased this enchant tonight and the procs shown above in the test data HAVE to be wrong. Over the course of a few hours in AV, the thing procs about every five minutes, FIVE MINUTES! Unless it procs only off auto attacks and is based on chance and not PPM.

I have it on a 3.8speed mace. This very well could be a %chance and not PPM for how often it proced. I'm personally finding this to be a very disapointing 300g enchant. It would be nice if someone did more thorough testing.

Comentado por 9498

This very well could be a %chance and not PPM for how often it proced.

Procs per hit = Weapon speed * Procs per minute / 60

This gives the percentage chance that the proc will go off each hit. An understandable misconception is that procs per minute guarantees that exactly some amount of procs will occur each minute of combat. This is not the case, as procs per minute is merely a statistical average, not a guarantee.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Ppm

Perhalps if you understood what ppm was, you would have realized earlier it is as you say -- it's all up to chance. At a rate of 1ppm on your 3.8s mace, it's about a 6.3% chance per hit. Keep in mind each time you hit and it doesn't proc -- doesn't affect or increase the chance it will proc on the next hit.

If you make 100 attacks at 6.3% chance to proc, and none of them proc. Does that mean your next attack will have a better chance to proc? Nope! Still 6.3% mutually exclusive and independent

Comentado por 64199

I don't know if anyone else noticed but this seems to be the only enchant with 'requires a level 60 or higher item', unlike all other outland enchants which are 'requires a level 35 or higher item'.

Comentado por 71767

What proccs more often ? Mongoose or Executioner ?

Comentado por Carcharoth

Just curious if this will show up on a gladiator's quickblade? I know it has a slight glow, but i'm unsure since this enchant is around the blade instead of on the blade...? Any help will be welcome

Comentado por 119048

Hey would this show up on, Screaming dagger?
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29909#reward-from

And do you think mongoose or executioner would be wiser, I plan to get mongoose on my offhand already, though most say executioner is a pve enchant, i think it would work out well for the 59 bracket.

anyways, if anyone knows if it shows up on the weapon, or if it is even worth it over dual mongoose

thanks

ps. im goin to be a mutilate specced rogue

Comentado por 119048

tons of other people asked questions on this item, and many others, but yeah ok

Comentado por 111264

is this good enchant for tanking? or is mongoose better

Comentado por 131725

what other enchant would this go good with? mogoose?

Comentado por 129225

Question,

I see a lot of Protection specced warriors with Executioner, does executioner generate any threat at all? or is it basically like having another sunder armor on the target. Trying to decide wether to get Executioner or Mongoose.

Any help would be great.

Comentado por 138679

Im duel-wielding PvE fury warrior and I was thinking about putting this on one of my axes. Both of them have +20 str. , but I was wonderin if that ignore 840 from time to time could compensate for the loss of +20 str.

Comentado por 123220

This enchant is an alternative to mongoose for prot warriors as it boosts TPS by a lot.

Comentado por 117977

rant: why cant they make more things proc for druids... damn......

Comentado por 63403

As a mutilate rogue mainhanding this with the 1.8 speed gladiator's Shanker, I had one proc every 56 seconds on average.
Mongoose had one proc every 67 seconds, for comparison.

Comentado por 137716

This is a 1 PPM enchant so its about 210 Armor Penetration. A great enchant.

Using it on my S3 OH,on my shammy :)

Comentado por 144082

Ummm how much would you pay if it was the enchanters MATS for this Enchantment?

Comentado por Ladno

It's a pity the proc is so disappointing. I'd like everybody to know when my enchant procs, but all I get is a squish and a little flashing icon..

Comentado por 154479

By the way enchants have no graphical effect on weapon that already have some.

Comentado por lunateth

Since this isn't a "chance on hit" effect, I'm assuming this works in feral form for Druids?

Comentado por 159444

dropped today twice in 1 raid on warsong eu from hex lord and zul`djin. all raid was shoked :D

Comentado por 163214

Would executioner be worth getting for a Ret Paladin?

Comentado por 43743

judgement of blood procs executioner

Comentado por 129138

Can it dual proc to get to like 1680 Amor reduction?

Comentado por 94544

How many times can this enchant PPM?

Comentado por 130963

This is probably the best main hand wep for a warrior playing pvp at 70 simply because if this proccs against caster classes or rogues the armour remove will make them half naked causing them to take huge damage.
hunters, shamans and paladin + other warriors wont feel the debuff effect as much as a caster such as mage or rogue or warlock / priest .

this would devastate mages/ warlocks and priests if a shaman purged their amour buff they would be very close to being naked making this weapon enchant amazing against low amour targets, rogues will also be owned by this but mongoose might be an option vrs a high dmg dealing rogue to reduce imcomming dmg allowing improved mitigations through dodging.

if your going to use this enchant your should be primarily focusing on casters to gain full advantage on armour debuffs and if your liekly to be up against a ret pala/rogue combat /Hunters/ druids bear/ fury warriors / arms warriors you might be better off with mongoose due to damage reduction and crit/ armour increase

Comentado por Allakhazam

Just given the median AH prices, this would cost in the area of 460 Gold - wonder what the glows look like.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Required skill for this enchant is 375.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Here is a link to some screen shots of it, kind of a glow with what looks like scrap metal around it.

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/spell=42974/encantamento-de-carrasco-arma

Robaz
Silver Hand

Comentado por Allakhazam

how much would this actully cost?

Comentado por Allakhazam

On my server (Stormscale US) this would cost approximately 600-700g just for the mats.

Comentado por Thottbot

As for fury warrior Executioner and mongoose is the best combination.

Being arms/fury i can't decide what to put on my deep thunder savagery, moongoose or executioner.

savagery is good adds stable AP.

Mongoose despite it's awsome look not so good for pvp cause of resillience stacks.

Executioner - i really don't know did anybody try it on a two hander?

Comentado por Thottbot

K, im tryen something new.. Ima raider right, Assination/Combat rogue.

Executioner on Mainhand
Mongoose on Offhand

what you guys think?

Comentado por Thottbot

Well somehow this is the only enchant that you need to be above lv 60, that's pretty rear.
The Main tank in my guild has it, it's pretty insane, the damage + is imba. Though it's only like 5.6%, you would se the difference.

Comentado por Thottbot

So an off hand proc causes your main hand attacks to ignore 840 armor? Yes or No, and proove it (i.e. you tested it, then explain your methodology, etc.).

I would assume that only the weapon enchanted gets the proc benefit, help me out!

Thanks:P

Comentado por Thottbot

So savagery, moongoose or executioner should i choose for my arena 2H weapon ?

Comentado por Thottbot

Is this better than Mongoose for a Prot warrior?
The extra damage would be extra threat, in everything you (SS, Revenge, Devastate, HS).
Mongoose just adds agi which is some crit, a little bit of dodge, and a negligible attack speed increase.
Im thinking executioner since my dodge is where I want it, but am unsure. What do you think?

Comentado por Thottbot

love the stats and assumptions, but which boss or mob drops this and where? I've yet to see it on my server. (Madoran)

Comentado por Thottbot

the 25g fee, i think its normal, i even think that every enchant of end game should give such a fee to the 1 enhantin it, the rods you need to get enchanting up to high lvl are insane, youll be loking at arround 2k total on just the rods, let alone the gold you need to stick in matts to skill it up. give enchanters a bit of slack and appreciate what there doing, 25g is my normal tip.

best regards
Me

Comentado por Thottbot

I would think this is in fact a good enchant for a PvP player. Since the release Season 3 arena gear, at least. As you know, some of this gear will also ignore armor. This stacked with 5 sunders by a Warrior, or 5 combo points of expose armor in the case of a Rogue, would be something. If you get 840 for the weapon proc, 2600* for 5 sunders or 2050 for expose armor (2505 speced), plus an additional 84 for the Season 3 Head, Legs, and Chest, and either 49 on the one-handers or 98 on the two-handers, you'll end up with 3790(2H) or 3741(1H) armor per swing for a Warrior, 3191 for a Rogue with a normal expose armor and 3646 for a Rogue with improved expose armor. if anyone could crunch the number to find out the details that'd be great.

Addition: Could this be blizzards way of making PvP gear decent for raiding?

*number based on previous post here

Comentado por Thottbot

would mongoose in main hand and this on of hand be good for a enhancement shaman?

Comentado por Thottbot

Re: to Expose.. I like your idea with that dagger =)
Have you tried it yourself? Well, try it and tell us what u critt on mages =P

Comentado por Thottbot

Mongoose is WAY better for a tank because in gives both dodge and crit.

Comentado por Thottbot

well maybe people misunderstand this enchant. against a heavily armored opponent with a shield it doeent do much but against a rogue with 3k armor or a extreamly well geared clothie with 2.5k armor its devistating. take 840 armor off that already low number and you could see high numbers.

Comentado por Thottbot

I think that this is more of a PvP enchant rather than a raiding one as most bosses will have high armour, and this reduces the effectiveness of -860 armour.

Comentado por Thottbot

the proc rate is about every minute, also the glow is really cool looking, it looks like chidori

Comentado por Thottbot

It owns got it on my PvP mace
It rocks 840 armor-
Not good for 2h but for 1h it rocks

Ill post screenshot soon:D

Comentado por Thottbot

I'm putting this on my Shanker and Mongoose on my Shiv. I find myself Shiving a lot for CPs and to keep crippling on my target, so not too worried about the mongoose proc.

This thing will be really good against people with 400+ resilience, especially priests, locks, and druids who cause a lot of trouble if they aren't taken out fast enough.

An example: with my talents and gear as a sub rogue, 4643 armor is ignored when this procs, with Vindicator's Band of Triumph, Dory's Embrace, Serrated Blades, and a 5-point Improved Expose Armor. Now I don't know about you, but that pretty much negates ALL your opponents armor if they are cloth and leather, as well as about 1/4 of a plate wearer's armor. Either way it's at least a 10-30% damage increase on ALL your attacks, and if you have S3 gear you'll be ignoring 5000+ armor, which would pretty much bring a hunter's armor close to 0 if not 0. In full S1 leather with a lot of agility, my armor is at 3738, and that is 26.15% damage reduction for leather. Having a 26% damage increase is massive especially for big hitters like ambush and backstab which really take shape when you add in all the percentages.

Can't wait for this and the backstab/ambush improvements in patch 2.3.2!

Comentado por Thottbot

Executioner on The Stoppable Force. More like sexecutioner.

Comentado por Thottbot

im a 69 enchance shamman DW at 70 i was either debating on mongoose and exec*
or mongoose and potency
or lifesteal n mongoose
which would be the best and most effective enchant for a PvP enhance shamman

Comentado por Thottbot

very simply i took 840's worth of armour from my rogue that has 3300 and it resulted in a 6% physical dmg increase.

i took 840's worth from my mates pala that is 12000 armour and it made 2% dmg increase.

i wouldnt be surprised if mail was 4% dmg increase

and cloth an 8% dmg increase

this is fairly rough though as it completely depends how much armour u hav to begin with, but i think it gives a fair assessment of the dmg increase u can expect at 70 with good gear.

also the chars i used are mostly epic but also have a blue mix so they arent even the best geared. in which case if u came up against better geared chars the % dmg increase you'd have against them would be even less.

Comentado por Thottbot

For a retribution paladin, who does mostly BGs and Arenas, and the occasional instance, using Deep Thunder would you recommend Executioner over Mongoose?

I want to say Executioner is better, based on the fact like previously stated, resilience makes a difference, a negative one, for me critically hitting players. I'm thinking that while the crit increase from mongoose is nice, themore beneficial for me would be executioner.

Comentado por Thottbot

if you buy all mats.. How much would it cost for (following):

20 Strenght
Executioner
Mongoose?

Comentado por Thottbot

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Encanta permanentemente uma arma corpo a corpo para às vezes ignorar 840 da Armadura do inimigo. Requer item de nível 60 ou maior.

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