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Comentado por matie

It has some positive and negative things
positive:
- your HoT's will get a very big bonus to their ticks
- your Swiftmend will also heal a lot higher because it's greatly dependent from +healing and HoT-full-healing
negative:
- you can't cast regrowth (who cares)
- you can't cast HT (very negative side)
- you can't decurse

tho you can always just shift to tree, put HoT, etc on raid/party shift back, but i don't think it'll be that good with all the mana that shifting takes away.

Comentado por rays

As of now (patch 2.0.1), this form is considered an elemental and can be banished by warlocks. =/

Comentado por goodnight

I find it hard to justify taking this talent in live (I don't have beta). The buff to healing from spirit is 25%, which is added to by the talent that buffs your spirit by 20%. So if you have 200 spirit, which transelates to 240 spirit via talents, your +healing comes out to 60. Granted the numbers are nice, its definetly hard to keep up with healing a party or raid without healing touch. Looking at the beta forums, the general concensus seems to be that the whole idea of tree form (if it is even worth taking) relies on the lifebloom spell (which we on live won't be seeing for another month). In light of this, I for one don't see the advantage to having more than one tree in a raid, and consequently won't be specing tree form. It definetly seems more beneficial to come up with some kind of hybrid spec (like resto/balance with lots of mana regen and damage capability) over full resto for a talent that doesn't benefit as much as it could.

Comentado por 7511

While in Tree of Life form, in addition to all the things mentioned above such a Regrowth, Rejuvenation, Rebirth, etc.. you can also cast Tranquility. Even though it's a channeled spell it does, in fact, heal over time.

Also, it should be noted that the group buff that comes from a Druid in the Tree of Life form does stack. You can have a group of five Tree of Life Druids that will constantly be giving each other a massive buff to their healing just by standing around. The amount of additional healing from one Druid might not be spectacular, but when they keep piling up the numbers can get quite high.

I did a Lower Blackrock Spire run with three Tree of Life Druids, myself (Shaman), and a Hunter. It was... neat.

Comentado por 7790

I'm loving this talent. Makes Healing in AV so much more straight forward and so far I haven't been in a single AV where someone has out healed me... (that said, if you see Stanlee, stay close and you'll stay alive!)

Now I just recently had some experience with the buff stacking. A group of 5 would have 125% of each druid's spirit increased to healing. So if you had 300spirit. Looking at 375+ to healing, if I'm not mistaken...

Further thinking... 40man raid group, a group of 5 druids doing the healing all in form. I wouldn't want to be up against the mob that can kill the main tank who has that group of druids healing him.

List of spell/skill usage for Tauren(Pre-Expansion) - Rejuvenation, Regrowth, Tranquility, Innervate, Nature's Swiftness, Swiftmend, Rebirth, Teleport Moonglade, and Warstomp

Comentado por Sephalae82

I thought the exact same thing before I saw 2 fellow Druids spec into it.
- Their heals were great and mana isn't really that difficult to manage seeing as you won't have to heal as much with the HoT's ticking like crazy.
- The group +25% spirit buff applies to ALL heals, not just yours or other Druid's.
- It's also a heck of a lot of fun seeing your target's health drop to almost nothing and being able to help you fellow healers get it's health back up.

Comentado por 20686

I certainly find it odd that you can't cure poisons and curses in the form, but other than that I love it. The lowered manacost is very, very nice, and with Regrowth costing less mana than Healing Touch, you really don't miss it.

Barkskin should be made castable in Tree of Life.

Comentado por radeox

It's hard to determine if this talent will be worth the investment. With the 2.0 WoW client patch hitting the game Tuesday 12/5/2006, it will allow Druids of the 60th level to try this out. Additionally, it would seem that HoT's will stack and there is no limit to this. With the addition of HoT's stacking, it may be a viable talent to invest into (stacking of Rejuvinations along with Regrowths in a raid will be ticking the MT for around 1000 to 2000 every three seconds). That fact will make the healing much more mana efficient since downranking heals is not longer an option (+healing gear has a much lower percent bonus to lower ranking spells).

In the end, I may just flip a coin to see if I go that much into Restoration. Granted, I love healing... that always helps.

Longer spells are more usefull when your MT takes big chunks of damage. For example: Deep Breath. When people were healing people who were tanking something that could deep breath, they were either timing their big heals (G-Heal in later patches or HT) as the boss was casting Deep Breath, if they weren't then they needed a slap or they knew someone else was doing it. Either way, big heals are really useful when you expect a big chunk of damage to come in. Thankfully in TBC they completely removed the obviousness of any big chunks of damage, so priests tend to cancel a hell of a lot of their g-heals at 90% casted and end up casting a flash on someone else because the MT maybe dodged an attack that could've been crushing. But anyways, this means that in smaller groups, the MT is taking less spike damage and therefore less big heals are needed, also priests can fill in any gaps when they are needed, leaving druids to be spamming HoTs to keep the tank constantly topped up saving priests the job of spamming their only HoT (Renew) at a costly amount of mana compared to a druid or spamming a G-Heal to have 50% overheal. Needless to say, a druid is a great addition to any raid, but I wouldn't necessarily like a tree form druid as my only healer in a 5man (they're to stay druid form when in that situation, please). But this hardly matters since the fights in 5mans don't last anywhere near as long and are a lot less mana intensive, meaning the loss of 20% reduced mana usage is less of a deal.

Finally about the mana cost for those who don't know: This is 28% of your *base* mana, meaning 28% of your mana whilst naked. As 70% of your mana comes from items, it really means that this spell is *not* 28% of your mana whilst you're fighting, it's significantly less (10% maybe? depends on the druid.) and hence it is castable in combat.

Comentado por Nebalee

"... all party members within 45 yards ..."

Actually the range of the aura is quite a bit lower than 45 yards. You can stay on maximum healing distance to your target (up to 40yd) and it wont get the auras buff.

Comentado por Skiers

So actually, in WC3 campaigns or melees, the Tree of Life building was a druid after all!
That's why I'm not seeing any Tree of Life ancients all these time..They're me! Hah!

Comentado por FroRev

Barkskin can be cast in Tree of Life form, now. Also note that the War Stomp and Shadowmeld racials can be used (although I only witnessed the latter while playing Alliance on the test realm).

Comentado por 67166

As of 2.3, tree of life can cast cure poison, and abolish poison.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2035714805&sid=1

Comentado por 64980

Is it just me? Or does the Tree of Life form make you walk slower. I can't keep up with my party, they all run faster. I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Comentado por 88528

In patch 2.4 you'll be able to cast any restoration spells with this form!

http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php

Comentado por brenthebli

If bear/dire bear is like a warrior, cat is like a rougue, and moonkin is like a shaman (sort of, considering its a caster with highish armor), then this form is a preist.

Comentado por MasterOfDisguise

It is worth noting you can eat or drink food and water while shapeshifted in Tree of Life.

Comentado por Allakhazam

This form looks funny, everytime when i see it i laugh myself to dead. But well... it's an awesome form and you can last long in a pvp battle because you're hard to kill. By the way, you need to spect restoration to get this.

Comentado por Allakhazam

The only issue i have with this form is you cannot use healing touch in it. This can become a tad annoying when trying to heal in instances as your only options are rejuveanation + swiftmend, regrowth, and later on lifebloom. You are also subject to being banished by a warlock in this form, so be careful for that in pvp.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I respecced resto from feral for a few days got some crap healing gear off ah and tried some bg's....... turned out I outheal everyone by 100k healing in every bg I played so yea this form is duh pwnage.

Comentado por Thottbot

I've main healed for Maraudon several times as a Tree. The first time, I ousted a Priest as main healer. Not even Shadow spec, she was Discipline/Holy. Handled everything fine.

With +healing gear, I have +169 to healing spells, plus the aura, which without a Spirit buff grants +38 healing spells to everyone, including myself.

My HoTs were enough to counter the stacking poisons the creatures in Maraudon put on everyone. We did the whole thing, and nobody died. Not even close. When things got tense, I'd Regrowth + Rejuvenation + Tranquility, and everyone's health would just shoot up, regardless of how much damage everyone was taking at the time. Lots of time I didn't even need to use Swiftmend, as the HoTs were enough to keep everyone's health above 50% most of the time.

And the 20% speed reduction isn't all that bad. Since it doesn't cost a ton of mana to shift into it, and I don't even have any points in Natural Shapeshifter, it's not a big deal to shift out for moving then shift back in when it's time to heal.

And it's not a big deal that I can't do damage as a Tree. As a main healer, I should be using my mana to heal, not to damage. And speaking of mana, I never called /oom the entire time we were in Maraudon. And we were in there for a good 2-3 hours, because we did it all. The 20% mana reduction reduces the already fairly low cost of the HoT spells, and makes Regrowth a more mana-efficient heal spell.

ToL is basically amazing.

Comentado por Thottbot

Just regrowth and rejvuntion if need for instant heal cast swiftmend and then reg simple and works very fine plus would need a dance sugestion the robot :P

Comentado por Thottbot

I took on tree of life to help my guildies in dungeon situations. We kept wiping cause I don't know how to use swiftmend and I feel like I'm not utilizing it well enough. Regrowth and rejuv only goes so far. I don't see the benefit of extra healing power. Can anyone help?

Comentado por Thottbot

can some 1 post screen shot plz i want to c what it looks like

Comentado por Thottbot

I think this form will be fine if you can use racials like moonkins can, you can use racial abilities in here right? That would help out tauren ToL's a lot with keeping the aggro off long enough for someone else to get them.

Comentado por Thottbot

I would just like to mention, for those who might want to know, that Warstomp (Tauren Racial Ability) DOES work while in Tree of Life form.

Nice defensive ability for Tree of Life form.

-Powderkeg

Comentado por Thottbot

Tree of life is an EXCELLENT addition to a restoration druids arsenal. I have been a druid now for over 1 year and have had vast experience in all 3 talent tree's. When our guild first started doing raids back in the day before ToL. Healing was not mana-efficient for a resto druid. Regrowth was a nice spell to cast if you had the mana, but we basically was just stuck with healing touch, which is slow and mana-heavy. but with tree of life, I have absolutely no problem main-healing a 5 man group, and being one-of the main healers in karazhan. I have +1257 bonus healing and my regrowth crits for 3k.
Many say "omg omg, just use healing touch, HOTS FTL" but lets put into perspective:

a brief overview of my spells:

Regrowth - 50% crit chance, base of 1.6k heal, followed by 2k over time (around 400 per tick), (crit for 3k)

Rejuvenation - 800 a tick

Lifebloom - 200 / sec (with idol, 1 stack) or 310 with 3 stacks / tick then an instant 1.5k heal after the 7 sec

so: thats effectively a 3k heal, followed by 1400 / 3 sec... then theres swiftmend which I can get insta 4k crits with (usually heals for about 3k with it) and if things get really sticky theres always natures swiftness...

As for the -20% speed, its very rarely an issue. I think the only time I found this an issue was healing murmur in SL, when us casters had to be max range, and tank thought he'd be smart and take it far outta range and i had to frantically run to get a heal off...

Defense wise? If we get caught in either PvE or PvP we can outheal practically all DPS thrown at us, if we're given a chance to cast. I have dueled aff/dest locks, fire/frost(pom) mages, and even warriors. in just tree of life only! my 11k mana pool and high +bonus dmg means they can simply not get me down... ofc ToL is NOT a viable combat form, you'd be stupid to think that you could go into combat (pve OR pvp) using it and expect to win, i merely use it as a humiliation factor when PvPing ;) )

So in brief, HoT healing is great, I find that I can outheal most holy priests / resto shammies with ease. So before dissing ToL. L2play.

Nightglade, 70 Tauren Resto druid

~8295hp / 11951 mp
+1257 bonus healing
HT Crit 9000 base.
////////////////////

Comentado por Thottbot

Why if is that a TREE form cant cast barkskin?
it would be usefull to cast tranquility...

Comentado por Thottbot

Being another restoration druid, and sharing the same enthusiasm as you (Nightglade), I was very interested in the setup you used to attain all those numbers so I set out to the armory to snoop. I was very disappointed with what I saw though, the stats you posted are obviously inflated with flasks and all sorts of consumables, am I correct?

http://armory.wow-europe.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Bladefist&n;=Nightglade

As I agree TOL is the way to go for 10mans and beyond it is just pointless in certain 5 mans. When the tank takes so much damage that your constant refresh of rejuv, lifebloom, swiftmend is not keeping him topped off and you throw a regrowth off just to see him fall even further, (it’s not often all your HoTs can’t counteract the damage, but you will encounter it at some point) what is a tree to do other than nature swift another regrowth on top of the previous? Seems rather inefficient considering if it doesn’t crit it’s about a 1300-1600 heal for like 780 mana (I’m not logged in so I’m guessing sorry). True, they all have HoTs that could hypothetically give you enough time to switch out and save the day with your healing touch… but that’s not a good enough oh-^&*! option for the tree. I always end up right clicking to get out of tree and being stuck because in my moment of panic I have forgotten for the millionth time that I need to left click to remove the damn obstacle. Not to mention I can’t decurse, hibernate, barkskin, remove poison, cyclone, fairy fire (ok well this isn’t needed but it would be cool). Another thing that sucks is we can’t resurrect our fallen brethren? I hear all about stealth ressing or whatever but this really makes me a liability when choosing a 5-man group. Ah it seems we excel more in 25 mans, and I guess I’ll have to get used to it. I personally believe we are the best healers in the game, it’s just setup to where we need a supporting cast (off-healers who use big heals and thus take credit for being main-heal) to fill in our gaps and clean up our oh-$%^& moment. We are the warlocks of healing.

Boose - Tauren Druid
Auchindoun (Eastern US Server)
7614 Health
7940 Mana
1040 +Heal

Comentado por Thottbot

looking at tree of life it breaks the grip healing touch had on druids when healing. With quicker cast spells like lifebloom,rejuvenation,regrowth are becoming more used in this form and a good use of tranquility good prevent a wipe if no threat was on the druid.
Hmm.......still saying tree of life should be able to use overall restoration spells like Moonkin get to use all balance spells.Shifting out to decurse/depoison wastes time and healing touch can have some use bringing the tank's health up if they reach 1/3 health.Tree of life shouldn't have a movement impairing effect because when i'm main healer for instance (quite common)(chosen to heal instead of shadow priest for group once)i have to run alot i instead wasted alot of mana fighting with spam moonfire and wrath and didn't have much mana to keep Main DPS alive.Tank never really tries to get aggro off me till i yell "get this F***** thing off me" then the tank comes. Tree of life is very limited compared to moonkin in that you cant use all the resoration spells just HoT spells.I have alot of combat caster gear on cuz i gave up resto and went to usin Moonkin (i can TANK!)and barkskin helps when usin hurricane with alot of aggro on you. ToL looks way better than moonkin but why does Tree of life look like ancient of lore (Warcraft 3)shouldn't it be more like tree of eternity (final upgrade of tree of life)cuz ancient of lore looks like a caster (technicly we look like treant or ancient of lore) and why cant we use our wepaon like Moonkin (increases wep skill and shows wep. Anyway i'm still balance but i'm gonna respec to resto when gettin geared for raiding

Comentado por Thottbot

please if you were feral for a long period of time please take some time into training with ToL doin minor group quest or giving people runs because if you just became resto and using ToL and have no knowledge of how to use it then your group will wipe because you failed to heal

Comentado por Thottbot

Im not much of a healer, so in my opinion: This is only really good for "Non-Main Characters." I'd prefer the Moonkin form and basically just Balance, it can be argued either way, but I'd say 'A great offence makes a good defence!' Just kill off whose there and you can go back to normal and heal yourself. The whole movement impairing issue can be resolved by just using this out of battle or in when youre not being attacked. Its not like you'd really fight in this, and you would... youre either trying to show off or you just dont get the concept of Restoration... maybe a bit of both.

-Myrlen, Altar of Storms

Comentado por Thottbot

I think that people should choose ToL until they get all the gear they want from raiding (easier to find a group + less wipes) and then when they start doing PvP go moonkin.

Comentado por Thottbot

ToL FTW

Comentado por Thottbot

Tree of Life is a nice little niche filled in raid healing. In raids, there are two roles that need filling: spot healing and tank healing. Spot healing was always a nice job for druids and Paladins, since rejuv and flash of light are both cheap, quick spells to get people topped up. Tank healing is where spells are near-constantly cast on the tank to keep them alive through the constant barrage of damage they take, and normally many healers will be casting on the same tank at once to keep them up.

Tree of Life enhances druid's initial role, before they became so reliant on Healing Touch to land the big heals, which started in MC really. HoTs couldn't keep up with damage, and so their use was almost completely rejected for tank healing.

Tree of Life allows a druid to keep their Lifebloom, Rejuvenation and Regrowth stacked on the tank, and spot heal as necessary. NS and Swiftmend still mean they can "Oh *!@#" heal the tank up, and when macro'd, a nice shift-out-of-ToL-and-NS-HT macro can save a group or raid where HoTs alone are failing.

However, on that note, most Trees are going to struggle to heal Heroics solo. If your Regrowths don't crit, you don't have that huge influx of HP to the tank, and it can be a big issue until gear gets better. However, with a Shadow Priest in the group, or even someone to step up on emergency heals such as a Shaman or Pally, ToL can handle any 5 man group with high efficiency.

But remember, as Damage Taken Per Second (DTPS) gets higher than Healing Per Second (HPS) from HoTs, you're going to start struggling, fast.

Comentado por Thottbot

does anyone know when i get tree of life?

Comentado por Thottbot

does anyone know if you banish a druid in this form, and if so can they shapeshift out of it?

Comentado por Thottbot

You can be banished but chances are ull never see it if they start to banish u just shift problem solved.

Add to that the fact most ppl don't know this form can be banished and you won't see it often to say the least

Comentado por Thottbot

can someone tell me what the base mana of a lvl 70 druid is, aka what the casting cost of this pre talent(or after and ill calculate it)

Comentado por Thottbot

It depends on the race and armor, since night elves have more mana but less health, plus a feral specced druid wouldn't be wearing too many things with +intellect.

But about this form....
I have been waiting forever to get this form, and only 3 lvls away now (finally!) and have some things to say. First off, I could spend a day talking about how druids can arguably be the best healers in the game. HoTs work much better than regular healing. With those HoTs, I've been able to heal 60s at lvl 40 easily. Druids capabilities, however, are always being diminished by those who say they cannot heal well, either because the people have not practiced their healing or they have never played the class to its full extent. And moonkin is nice, yes, and the aura and +armor is very nice, but this has happened to me a lot;

"The main healers are out of mana!"
"I'll moonfire the bad guys."
"We need you to heal!"
"I can't."
"Why not?"
"I'll lose the aura and +armor."
"...I don't think that really matters right now."

Also, they do not have NS nor 70% ignorance of spell interruptions for healing, so if they shift out and still have aggro, you're not going to get a good heal. Honestly, I can't wait for this form; I have seen what healadins and priests and even shamans can do, and frankly, I would prefer a druid's HoTs over any other kind of heals. ToL is perfect for resto druids.

Lobar, almost 50 tauren druid
Emerald Dream
(Not a lot of) HP
(Not a lot of) MP
(Practically no) +healing

Comentado por Thottbot

Ok so assuming you spec'd in Furor a great way to reduce threat if you caused alot from healing is to switch to cat form real quick and apply cower. What i did and it worked wonders.

Comentado por Thottbot

As a druid you have to make the hardest decision in the game,... at least thats what it seems like! It's really quite simple and I need your guys help Resto or Feral?

Comentado por Thottbot

woah...so in tree if life form u cant cast healing touch? that seems ridiculous...

Comentado por Thottbot

I havent seen any1 post it yet so i will say it now... you CAN be banished from a warlocks banish spell in the tree of life form. Just like a hunter can use scare beast on a bear form druid.

Comentado por Thottbot

Resto Druids Rock. I used to be balance so I could level fast. I had Moonkin for a while. It is awesome too, (I even tanked last boss for Ulda in Moonkin because I was Starfire Spamming and pulled practicly all aggro off of other group members, and We didn't wipe either). But I was always preparing for ToL form. I wanted to be balance to level so that I could get used to being in the caster area of instances, in the back with no aggro (Most of time, lol). Then as I got close to 50 I started gearing towards Resto, and Needing on +healing gear, and buying things on AH, so when I respecced I had some decent gear. ToL is great. I heal in instances and usually keep group members at 75% or higher with just Rejuv usually. Maybe a Regrowth if the tank is losing a bunch of health. But even then I just use Reg + Rejuv and he's at full health and stays there. And something I got to say, Threatless Tranquility ROCKS! If your whole group is about to die, Use Tranq and practicly everyone's at full health. Definately worth the 2 talent points.

Smokeydabear
Resto Druid
Mok'Nathol Server, Emberstorm Battlegroup

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28% de base mana
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O Druida assume a Forma da Árvore da Vida. Nesta forma, a cura recebida por todos os integrantes do grupo em um raio de 45 m aumenta em 25% do seu total de Espírito, sua velocidade de movimento é reduzida em 20% e você só pode lançar Recomposição Rápida, Avivar, Rapidez da Natureza, Renascimento, Pele de Árvore e feitiços de cura e remoção de venenos ao longo do tempo, mas o custo de mana desses feitiços é reduzido em 20%.

A metamorfose liberta o lançador de efeitos de polimorfia e que dificultam o movimento.

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28% de base mana

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Multiplicador de JvJ: 1

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