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Comentado por 7791

Want.. so.. bad..

Comentado por 12070

Currently, the only way to learn this flask is to "Discover" it. In TBC, alchemists discover the new flasks by making already known potions.

Old flask recipes can be got by doing rep grinds;
Flask of Chromatic Resistance: Exalted - Lower City
Flask of Distilled Wisdom: Exalted - Cenarion Expedition
Flask of Supreme power: Exalted - Keepers of Time
Flask of the Titans: Exalted - The Sha'tar

Interestingly, There is no known new, upgraded Flask of supreme power.

Comentado por MrGorun

You can learn this, when you make some potions or elixir. It's all luck.

Comentado por 23311

Do you have to be an Elixir Master or Potion Master to learn this, or is it cross-speciality?

Comentado por Eclair

This does stack with Fel Strength Elixir, that's freaking awesome.

Comentado por 23851

I learned this today, was making some potions for a friend of mine, and yes, it's pure luck.
I'm a herb/alch got 375 in alch, and making Adept's Elixir, and that is very grey for me :) I farmed for all the greater prot. potions, hoping that they beeing yellow for me that would help me in learning flasks faster, but no, it's just random, doesn't matter whar lvl in alch you have, or what you are making, as long as it is a TBC pot/elixir. Happy hunting, I know I want to learn to make more, but since I'm a hunter, this doesn't hurt my dps during raids, so I don't need any other flask, but maybe som in my guild wants some other flasks :)

Comentado por 21192

Has anyone ever discovered a recipe with less than 375 alchemy?

Comentado por 22039

Can you discover this if you're a Master Elixirist ONLY?

Comentado por 35793

My wife discovered this at 307 Alchemy, so no, you don't need to be 375 nor do you need to be a Master Elixirist.

Comentado por Chillincold

Guide to discovering potions/flasks/elixirs/transmutes.

For the casual gamer:
- Make sure your transmutation is always on cooldown. (You would probably log in at the same time everyday for a few hours, so keep a few reagents in your bag and do a transmute everytime its up.)

- Make potions and elixirs that you use although buying them from the auction house maybe cheaper than buying the reagents. ( You would probably have a cash flow set back so my advice is to have your second profession as herbalism to have a continuous supply of your own reagents.)

- Make yourself known to your guildmates and in game friends that you are an alchemist so that when party/raid members run low on potions/elixirs you can make some on the spot and charge them for it. (Try to keep stock of vials and herbs for potions/elixirs that move fast e.g netherbloom, terocone, mountain silversage, felweed, dreaming glory, etc...)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a potion master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a casual gamer trying to be a mobile alchemy auction house, potions are the most likely item people run out of that are essential to a raid/heroic.)

For the power gamer:
- Your transmutation timer has no excuse to be up. (If you're absent minded or loose track of time, set an alarm.)

- Make potions and elixirs that suffice your usage. Craft the item of your chosen mastery. Spread your crafts on a few items so you don't flood the auction house with one item. You should be able to be the most competetive seller since your procs yield you extra items. ( After a week or two you will be familiar with the items that sell and those that dont. Make more of the ones that do sell.)

- Make macros to advertise yourself as an alchemist on general chat when you cross teritories and trade chat when ur at a major city. (I find that listing some of your best potions/elixirs/flasks helps because not everyone is an alchemist and not everyone knows the available items in alchemy.)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a elixir master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a power gamer can spread his liabilities as there are a lot more elixirs compared to potions and such a gamer would be able to gather materials to create flasks {falls under elixir mastery}.)

Tips
- Always have reagents in your bag. If you run low on bag space priorotise for reagents on tansmutations.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know prices or download a mod that helps do it for you. I have mods but I still rely on my memory for all alchemy stuff because for alchemy its not an average of price over time. Its the price on that day, that week or that month. If your server is in end game you will be looking at completely different prices of all alchemy items compared to a server that has newly begun.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know your competitiors. If you can't beat their prices make a pact with them (e.g. you make certain items they make certain items, or if you're different masteries you should recomend your fellow customers to each other.)

- {More for power gamers} Be up to date on how far and how fast your server is progressing. This way you can be the first to be there with the items. (e.g. I sold more than 250 stacks of greater arcane protection potions alothough i knew how to make major arcane protection potions. At this point in time we're 3-4 months into the expansion and most players are still trying to save up cash or simply can't afford the major potions. On my server now, most guilds dont need them for the curator fight in karazhan but before they were experienced in taking him down they we're willing to pay my outrageous prices to have an edge on the encounters.)

Comentado por Chillincold

Dirty tricks:
Knowing the backdoors in every game and business encounter definately helps. Since this is the low down section of my thread, and undenyably unscrupulous. I will only let you in on one of the not so sinster of my plots. (For my own conscience sake I don't want to corrupt the world.)

- {For herbalists} If you know of an item that sells well but its reagents are never on the auction house, create an alternate character and park him at an auction house. Advertise items that require this reagent and sell it for double or triple the price on your alternate character so that the buyer doesn't know that its you. (e.g. Not many people know about greater arcane elixir, and its a great elixir for casters altough its a lower level elixir compared to post TBC items. I sell reagents such as dreamfoil and mountain silversage at triple the normal price on my alternate character. My customers usually ask me if they are usually that expensive, I either tell them "Yeah thats the normal price nowadays." or "Thats cheap!!")

From past experience I have to state this for my peace of mind. Please dont send me a mail or ask me for more details on the "Dirty tricks" section. Thank you for reading my post, and if you slept half way... DUDE/DUDET you missed out, what were you thinking trying to sleep in one of my lectures!

Comentado por 27500

In the next patch the effect is reduced to 120 ap, but the mat costs are reduced as well (by about a 1/3).

Comentado por 56051

I was lvl 375 and i learn Flask of Relentless Assault and Flask of Shadow Fortification the same day. Relentless i got while making Major Strength Potion. Shadow Fortification while make Major Shadow Potion.

Comentado por stupidfish

can i make a discovery without being level 70 and/or having alchemy skill 375?

Comentado por 49169

Does it still stack with Fel Strenght elixir?

Comentado por 39331

Got this a few days ago (lvl 70 with 375 Alch), creating a simple elixir of strenght. Sofar I have discovered Flask of Arcane Fortification and the Transmute for Air to Fire. I don't create elixirs all day and am a casual gamer (play 2/3 evenings max a week) so there's definately some luck involved...

Comentado por stonecow

You don't have to make elixirs to discover this, I learned both this and Flask of Mighty Restoration by making Super Mana Pots.

Comentado por 95477

I have 3/5 of the discovered flasks. I just got the Flask of Pure Death off of making over 200 super mana potions for someone (I am potion mastery), however I discovered the Mighty Restoration Flask making Super Rejuv potions when I first hit 375...I only made 2-3 of them.

I don't know if it's coincidence but I have only made transmute discoveries off of transmutes and I have never made flask/potion discoveries off of anything but potions. (I rarely make elixirs so I don't think I've ever discovered anything off of them).

Comentado por Ludwick

Requirements to make a discovery

You must be crafting a potion, elixir, flask or performing a transmutation that was added in TBC.

As a rule of thumb that's anything that is learnt from a master alchemy trainer, dropped from a mob in outland or purchased from a vendor in outland. The only real exceptions are the pre-TBC flasks that have been made available from faction vendors in outland.

NOT requirements to make a discovery

You don't need to be in outland
You don't need a mastery
You don't need to be 375 alchemy
You don't need to be level 70
You don't need to craft yellow or orange recipes to make discoveries. Even grey recipes can proc discoveries
You don't need to be crafting a related recipe *except* in the case of cauldrons (You can discover flasks when making potions for example)

List of recipes learned by discovery (accurate as of 29/01/2008)

Flasks

Potions

Super Rejuvenation Potion

Transmutes

Cauldrons - To discover these you need to be crafting the related major protection potion. Cauldron of Major Holy Protection is believed to be non-existent. The discovery of these recipes is much more likely.
Cauldron of Major Arcane Protection
Cauldron of Major Fire Protection
Cauldron of Major Frost Protection
Cauldron of Major Nature Protection
Cauldron of Major Shadow Protection

Comentado por Allakhazam

I discovered this on Rexxar server. You do not need any Mastery, and you also don't have to be making anything specific. If I had to guess, I'd say you only need to be making Outlands potions/elixirs and have 301+ Alchemy to get a proc.

Comentado por Allakhazam

This Flask is discovered through masive alchemy as well as all the other Flask (New Ones), so get to the crafting^^

Comentado por Allakhazam

What do you mean by Masive alchemy? I'm at 375 now, and would love to come across relentless assault, mighty restoration, etc? I'm just not quite sure what I need to do to start being able to get some of these new potions? Help!

Comentado por Allakhazam

i got it from 356-375 doing 20 elixir of major mageblood. i also have flask of blinding light. caladnei, alliance, garona server

Comentado por Allakhazam

I had been at 375 Alchemy for a long time, and never have came across discovering a flask; I was beginning to think you needed to have a mastery of elixirs or potions. But fortunately this wasn't the case, I think it's just a matter of luck. I discovered this flask while making 10 super healing potions. (Zescka, Horde, Zangarmarsh server)

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