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Comentado por 6762

I have this weapon. Works a treat and your right it does proc fairly often and the good thing too is that it can crit.
I have had about 1.5k crit for the proc and a heroic strike crit as well. Nice bonus damage. Like Mr Hoon said no stats on it so I put crusader on it. +100 str makes a nice buff.

Well worth it if you can get it.

Comentado por Vayn001

This is one of the nicest looking polearm's for warriors and paladin's in the game. However, I always seem to lose to a hunter, because they consists on having to take items to melee with no stats. It bugs me because if your an arms specced warrior or retribution specced paladin, you can decipate crit for insane ammounts. So if your the master looter and in charge please, give paladins and warriors priority first. I am speaking from a hunter point of view.

Comentado por 9296

Good for Paladins and Warriors, any Hunter that takes this retarded and an ass to boot.

Comentado por 1038

The proc ignores armor aswell.

Comentado por 9590

This weapon is pretty good for a dps warrior or paladin. The proc ignores amor and does a lot of damage when it crits. If its an upgrade, I say go for it. Looks really cool though and is a nice weapon to have.

Comentado por 10386

Just a note that the decapitation proc usually does much more damage than the 452 to 676 damage listed above, as I've had decapitation hits upwards of 1500, so I can only assume that the 452 to 676 damage stacks with the weapon's normal (white) damage.

Comentado por 46237

The proc also triggers other procs such as Seal of Command, making for some sick burst damage.

Comentado por 69592

I'm under the impression that decapitating someone would deal a lot more than 450-670 damage.

Isn't decapition, I dunno, fatal?

Comentado por 24122

this has to be one of the coolest weapon's just for the name/proc/graphic i just wish priests could use it so they could get some melee smites in lol

Comentado por Thottbot

I would roll o this if a warrior didnt need it first. Though I would love it so much over a warrior, he deserves it more than me. ;(

(Hunter here)

Comentado por Thottbot

Picked this bad boy up in ZG a couple days ago, took it into AB for some PvP Action, and Holy Mother....nothing is more satisfying for a Warrior than to go head to head with a mage, and have the Decap proc (and Crit) while performing a MS, and watch that Mage's Health go from around 50% to Dead, instantly. This thing is sick. Hit with a ~550pt MS, with a ~1890pt Decap Crit on top...Mage never knew what hit him. /grins wickedly

Comentado por Thottbot

Ran the instance tonight with my guild. Nobody wanted it and they were going to greed it to save as a Nexus Shard for the 1.9 patch. I had been using Earthshaker (which has the same damage, speed, DPS) but has the stun proc.

This extra damage proc is like a built-in Seal of Command, and I rolled need on it as my one epic of the day.

I'm pleased so far with it. Granted, I am a Healadin, but Healadins need to grind and farm stuff too, especially for enchants! I have Fiery on mine, and I have noticed a rather large increase in DPS from my Earthshaker.

If a warrior (especially an Arms build, though most of the Warriors at end-game in my guild are Protection-spec.) wanted this over me, I would probably have passed especially because I have Earthshaker.

Comentado por Thottbot

bah I just got it, and it absolutely pwns,

this>Obsidian edge blade>earthshaker,
It procs a lot, it crits for 1200 and it crits fairly, Unlike doomsaw which only procs once a day if you'er lucky. This thing will proc every fight. I had it proc twice on one swing. This is just pwnage. especially with bloodlord being so easy.

Comentado por Thottbot

You said Warriors are meant to have a 1hander and a shield...

For MC, ZG, and Ony, we bring about 6 warriors. Occasionally, theres only 1 tank, other times, theres 2, 3 or, on Garr and Domo, all 6 :P

Are you saying a warrior should use a 1hander and shield to dps when there's only 1 tank needed? I think you should get your facts straight before posting on thott...

Comentado por Thottbot

Server was splitting all day so we took about 18 people and cleared ZG to the bloodlord. Surprisingly this dropped and the raid agreed to give it to me seeing that I was the only PvP warrior and that I really needed an upgrade (Had a darkstone until this.)

The thing is insane. Zinrokh and OEB might be better for white damage, but burst damage this thing simply destroys. Hand of Justice mind you, the proc ignores armor. Here's my first encounter with a one shot using this:

60 warlock, I charge, first white hit is a crit for 899, decap crits for 1382, Hand of Justice procs, another crit for 827, decap proc (noncrit) for 689. Warlock died immediately. Mind you the second proc didn't crit, and examples like this are rare enough as it is. This was unbuffed save battleshout. I can't imagine the max damage this thing can do in bursts.

MS crits for around 1000-1300 on cloth. Put +15str on it for the extra 30 attack power, not worth blowing two righteous orbs when I'm upgrading to an UTB when it actually drops.

As for comparison to an OEB, it depends on how you play as a warrior. OEB has more consistant damage, as the sword skill increases your crit rate, and the strength is a really nice +80 or so attack power, however the proc alone on HoS surpasses that of a crit with OEB. As for Zinrokh, you're missing out on a nice 200ish boost of health and around the same attack power, but again, the proc is still superior. As a PvP warrior I rely on burst damage above consistancy, as there's nothing consistant about charging from target to target while stance dancing and knowing when to pummel/zerk/what have you. I would say this is easily on par with the rest of the tier 1 weapons:

Tier 0: Arcanite reaper, darkstone claymore, doomsaw
Tier 1: OEB, Zinrokh, HoS, Vendorstrike, Earthshaker, Jeklik's crusher
Tier 2: UTB, Drake Talon Cleaver, Grand Marshal/High Warlord two hander
Tier 3: Dark Edge of Insanity, Hand of Rag, Ashkandi

Rank 12 alliance warrior
Lightninghoof realm

Comentado por Thottbot

I recently got this as the only arms warr in the group. Everyone else passed, the other warrs and the pallies, not because I asked them to, or even thoght that they should, they just did it out of kindness and respect for me. The fact that so many of you feel the need to "claim" an item before it even drops suggests to me that you do not party with a group that you enjoy playing with. Moving on, I have enjoyed this weapon as my first epic item, and I do not pull agro off the MT if he's prot spec and doing his job. It DOES result in me getting agro if the MT goes down, which I view as a good thing. I can take a couple smacks from hakkar while some druid gets the MT back up, our rogues and mages typically cannot. In PvP this is weap is absolutely righteous, and I particularly enjoy picking off unsuspecting mages and priests, and it's shocking how fast you can take down whoever they were trying to support after that. . . . Good luck too you all in getting this weap to drop : )

Comentado por Thottbot

MarcM - Stormrage

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/08583/7c0dd3bf.jpg

Comentado por Thottbot

i am a warrior ho would want this polearm but i hear a bunch of hunters sya its a hunter wep....i though hunters wanted stats not melee proc.....do you ever melee? and if you do then you are doing it wrong. and if you want to melee then make a warrior or a rogue. Almost every hunter i ask on cenarius realm says this is not a hunter wep and any hunter who would want needs to learn to play

Comentado por Thottbot

This weapon is not worth it for a paladin
i am a 60 paladin and have seen this drop a few
times but i didnt roll because it as nothing to benefit me though i am pvp speced and this certainly looks mean at AV...the thing is ive only seen one of these in a BG once a while ago its not great for pvp but its very good for a pve paladin or warrior who do quite a bit of farming.
another reason as to why i do not want to roll on this is because i know that the warriors are going
to fall face forward into this awsome weapon and completely forget about the ultimate ZG melee weapon..Zin Rohk which is good for all 3 classes hunter,paladin,and warrior..hunters just got their new 25 agi enchant and 72 ap counts as ranged and there is alot of sta so why not?
even with these new things pvp paladins and warriors should be aloud the first roll because they do NOT need a enchant to make this weapon good for them..

as for halbred..warriors its all yours..paladins if you dont value your assets and would rather have a lame proc then stats go right ahead..
hunters this is comeplete crap for you..dont waste an epic roll on this save for DoW or fang..

Comentado por Thottbot

The proc rate on this weapon used to be INSANE. Many people would report it proccing twice on one hit. Blizzard decided: Lets piss people off some more, and majorly nerfed the proc rate. Now you'd be lucky to get it to proc more then once in a day. Thanks Blizzard for taking an awesome item, and making crappier.

I've got it, and would use it over TUF
Curtle-60 Palladin
Thunderlord

Comentado por Thottbot

this one seems to me to just be an upgrade from Blackhand Doomsaw, same speed, same weapon type, similar proc style. Blizz seem to do this a bit, like Arcanite Reaper has similar yet worse stats than Zin'rokh which i think in turn is a not quite so good version of Ashkandi. Spose theyre troo lazy to make weapons individual in anything apart from looks

Comentado por Thottbot

Won this in my guild's last ZG run over the weekend. After whacking all the priest bosses and Hakkar, we swung by Mandokir and gave him a big hug, so he was nice enough to drop this for us. There were two tanks, both protection specced. The main tank almost always uses a 1-hander and shield, and doesn't use that toon to PvP. The other warrior had already won the Obsidian Edged Blade from Garr in MC (much to my disappointment since I was hoping the Aurastone Hammer would drop instead). Since there were no fury warriors with us, it was open bid to the rest of the raid. The other pally was holy/protection specced with Aurastone Hammer and shield, and the 3rd pally is still new and has fewer earned DKP than I do.

I'm currently holy 31/retribution 20 specced to balance out both raiding as healadin and to deal damage in PvP and solo grinding/farming (I plan on spending my remaining 10 talent points on retribution when the expansion drops after hitting level 70). Luckily, the other pallies don't PvP as much as I do. I did have the opportunity to roll on the HoS one other time it dropped during a ZG raid I was in, and I passed so a full retribution 31 pally could have it (he'd been eyeing it for a while and PvPs more than me). No good deed goes unpunished and I admit that I did have some regrets about passing on the HoS in the first place.

I'm so glad I have it now. Before I've been using the Empyrean Demolisher (epic 1-handed mace off Kazzak world boss in Blasted Lands, luck of the random roll FTW) and Zulian Defender for solo grinding/farming, PvP, and trash mobs in ZG and MC. While it does ok DPS (for a pally, I won't even get into a debate on how it's better in the hands of a warrior or rogue) I really needed a good 2-hander (Destiny wasn't really cutting it and the Blackhand Doomsaw was alright but wasn't very optimal for a pally with full tier 0.5/half tier 1 gear) for that extra bit of burst damage dealing.

The HoS does that in spades. Combined with Seal of Command, crit bonus gear, and the Crusader enchant, it makes a retribution pally a bear in heavy hitting burst damage. Ever since getting the HoS, I'm having a lot more fun in PvP, wrecking pesky Horde with a few well placed strike procs and I can still heal with the best of them when I have to (such as fighting lieutenants, the Captain, and General Drek). If there's one thing that irritates me is people who think they can dictate what my job as a pally should be. I know what to do with the skills I have, whether it's in a raid or PvP, thank you very much.

To all those who say this weapon shouldn't go to a pally, think again. It's great in the hands of a retribution spec, though it's not quite as effective in the hands of another build of pally. When it procs (and it seems to be very often for me, like a 3rd of the time), the smite damage on the HoS easily stacks with Seal of Command and crits, dealing as much as 1400-1600 damage in a single hit (which is pretty darn good for a pally). We also rely much more on burst damage than others too because Seal of Command is so random when it does go off. Before I've duelled and beaten equally equipped fury specced warriors who were using the HoS against me, and that's even without bubbling myself. Now that I'm using it myself, a fury specced warrior would have to be decked out in BWL/AQ gear to even stand a chance.

The one class I can't really understand wanting or wasting DKP on the HoS is the hunter, who rely mainly on ranged attacks. It doesn't have any crit or agility bonuses, and you have to be in melee to even use it, which, in most cases, is counterintuitive and somewhat suicidal for hunters. The only reason I can see a hunter wanting it is the cool factor, and while the HoS is a very distinctive looking weapon, hunters are better off spending their DKP on Mandokir's Sting or equipping weapons with crit and/or agility bonuses instead. But if they want to roll/bid on it when they have the opportunity, all the more power to them. Just don't complain when the pallies want it too.

Comentado por Thottbot

I have no clue why any hunter would want this weapon; this weapon has no stats, and the proc itself is probably so rare that a hunter (who is primarily ranged) would almost never see it happen.

This weapon is for anyone who uses a 2 handed weapon for their SOLE method of dealing damage.

I have a 60 warrior and a 60 paladin. This would be good on either of them.

My warrior is a fury warrior, spec'd for 2h or dual wield. Sometimes I need dual wield for single target dps, sometimes i like 2h for aoe dps. The speed and weapon proc damage for this weapon make it ideal for Fury warriors, as well as polearm spec MS warriors.

My paladin is a retribution paladin, spec'd for 2h seal of command. This weapon has a topend of 265 damage, making it hit decently hard with SoC. Add in the damage proc (which can proc soc and vengeance) and this is a serious weapon for the paladin.

This weapon has no place in anyone's inventory except for these two classes.

Comentado por Thottbot

First time i've ever downed Bloodlord.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/spguitar/crusherpolearm.jpg

Comentado por Thottbot

http://koti.mbnet.fi/looperi/proci.jpg

Now drool.

Lopsku lvl 60 gnome warrior on Doomhammer EU

Edit: got a bigger crit and changed the pic.

Comentado por Thottbot

I just got this. I am 6/11/34 prot build warrior. I got this because our other DPS warriors are saving up for better 2h Weps. I was using Doomulus when i needed to do any Dmg, so this was an upgrade.

The proc on this crits and it has grown larger over the last 2 days. It started critting at 650 and began to climb the more i used it. i've gotten it up to 1370 so far. has anyone else noticed this? you'd have to have some kind of crit record addon like i do to see it.

Comentado por Thottbot

You and several others are talking PvP blah blah all the time. Should you be in doubt Zul'Gurub is a PvE encounter, and many of the drops in ZG are very decent and will help your guild progress through instances such as MC. In my guild (PvE guild) we don't give a flying #$%^ if you want weapons or items for your personal interests (such as PvP) and that goes for every class. All we care about is progressing through MC so we can encounter BWL as soon as possible. Since paladins do lousy DPS in instances compared to other classes, and since their healing is extremely nice, paladins in our guild have no right to ever get a DPS item if there is a DPS warrior/other DPS class who needs it and benefits more from it than the paladin. In same way, all items that benefit healers more than other classes, will go to healers.

To back up our strict loot distribution rules, we also require classes to spec like we feel is the best. Therefore all healing classes are required to spec for maximum healing performance, just like DPS classes are forced to spec into maximum DPS performance (with a few exceptions). We don't care if our members want to "annihilate" the opposite faction members in Battlegrounds doing offraiding hours. When all our DPS warriors have Halberd of Smiting or something better, the paladins can need on it if they like.

I am a healing specced Paladin and I have watched many sweet DPS weapons go to DPS warriors. But when I think about the fact that our guild has progressed faster than any other guild on the realm (apart from the really hardcore ones, raiding 7 days a week with only BWL experienced members) I'm happy that we have a loot distribution system like we have.

If you're a 100% PvE guild then there is no #$%^ing reason why a Paladin should have this over a DPS warrior. If you're a partially PvE/PvP guild then you will have to consider if you want to progress PvE- or PvP-wise when you plan the loot distribution rules.

My 2 cents.

Comentado por Thottbot

Got this last night, thought on it a bit before replacing the TUF, but here's the reasoning...and why imo it's worth getting if you have the opportunity.

1) the proc rate after 250 attacks seems to be right at 2%, i had 3 hits recorded by my dps meter and one parry that i noticed scroll by in teh combat log (it's not a spell, it's an extra attack, so can be parried/dodged). no crits on the proc yet, hits anywhere from 400-700, which are basically the same as my white dmg hits.

2) when you consider #1, it's the closest thing to a comparable sword you can get, without the actual sword part. it basically procs an extra white dmg attack, which is the same thing sword spec does. only difference being polearm spec gives you some extra crit, which you lose if you spec mace with the TUF, of course.

3) the proc CAN trigger hand of justice, one of my decapitates did in fact set one off. so those two stack like sword spec stacks with HOJ, which is also nice. when you do the math including them stacking on each other, you probably get 3-4ish percent chance to proc an extra attack with the HOJ and the weapon's proc. again, not as good as sword spec stacking with HOJ, which gives a little over 7 percent chance, but until you get a sword better than this weapon, it's the next best thing, imo. this is all assuming you're using a HOJ in lieu of blackhand's breadth obviously. if you're not, you need to learn what items are out there and go make a BRD pug with no shammys, no pallys, no rogues, and none of the newbie HUNTERS who post on thottbot ;).

the damage comparison per hit between this and the TUF overall is fairly similar. mortal strike crits top out at about the same, total number of crits slightly higher since you gain 5 from the polearm spec, while only losing two from ditching the TUF. but since it's slightly faster, you're getting more white damage overall, and more swings means more procs, so yeah...

everyone doing ZG would undoubtedly prefer the zin'rokh, but if you're behind a few people in zin'rokh priority and not gonna get it for awhile, this weapon is a definite TUF upgrade until you do get it.

ps: mazaxus, if you had any idea how much time and money is spent gearing tanks for raids, you'd realize how idiotic you just demonstrated to all of us that you are. tell you what, how about you spend a good couple weeks of time (and money), putting together mats for dark iron armor, farming worthless instances for rare blues that someone can use to tank with until they get better drops, helping some random noob warrior you recruited to grind CC rep and materials to get nature resist gear and enchants, and while all that is going on go ahead and pay for everyone's repairs while a new tank learns the positioning and switching required to tank in raids, all because you think you need a cool looking weapon to wingclip people for 40 dmg with and someone agreed with you, which results in your tanks jumping ship to go join some other guild who lets them have the gear they earned.

better yet, how about you stick to afk'ing with trueshot and auto-shot on in those UBRS pugs, something tells me that's the extent of your experience in this game.

Comentado por Thottbot

I play a pally with 5/8 judgement... and +spell damage does add to the proc, i use spinal reaper for 2 hand... and it's not that great for a pally, but i still want this so bad.

Comentado por Thottbot

Im an arms specced warrior, and i wanna do high damage, so is this the right weapon for me? Also as an arms specced, what armour set is best for me?

Comentado por Thottbot

You have to be a complete moron to want this as a hunter.

End of story.

Comentado por Thottbot

sooo...what if u decapitate the target and it doesnt die?...blizz should change this for a little bit, like give it a much greater chance of proccing but making it a proc that would only occur if target has under X% of health =/

Comentado por Thottbot

I'm just wondering why you don't just decapitate Onyxia or Nef. Then just take the head and run?

Comentado por Allakhazam

Got this last night on my warrior. It doesnt proc but my last proc crited for 1200.
Now with Polearm Build i have 35% to crit. :D
I was hunting this thing for 2 month now.
Thank god Horde doesnt have paladins to bid against. And yes this weapon is preety good for paladins becouse of proc. Paladins need good bleeding procs due to lack of DPS and combat moves.

Edited, Fri Jan 20 14:00:24 2006

Comentado por Allakhazam

This amazing item drops of Bloodlord Mandokir. Mandokir is the third boss located in the Zul Gurrub Instance. He is not one of Hakkars high priests and does not have to be killed to kill fight Hakkar. He is located just past that of Venoxis, and up a large series of stairs.
The guide for killing him, and claiming your phat lewt can be found here:
Sangrelorde Mandokir

Comentado por Allakhazam

damn, shaniqua!

Comentado por Allakhazam

Hunters you totally gimp yourself using this. Let it go to a warrior so they dont have to outroll/outbid you on (for example) Zin'Rohk.

Comentado por Allakhazam

i would agree this isnt the best wep but its not a wast of dkp

60 palidid

Comentado por Allakhazam

Okay, I logged on to see if people were discussing the weapon, but no, it devolved into the usual arguement. However, the person who said the base reason for the debate is to reduce the relative DKP cost was quite intuitive.

So, aside from that -- I friggin' love this. I don't raid with my warrior as much (there are too many) - so my priest is my main raider. My warrior is blue geared, part valor - that level of item, maybe four purples total including this. This polearm OWNS. I put crusader on it, and started to PVP again...this weapon is a destructive equalizer. yes, it does rely on the proc -- but the proc for me averages 1100 crit in PVP, up to 1600, the proc goes off quite a bit. The weapon itself does good damage, and just looks cool.

For a long time I wanted a reaper...but no more. This will do it for me, and has made my warrior at least somewhat of a force to be reckoned with in PVP.

That does speak sadly for the game though -- should gear be such a game-changer or breaker?

Comentado por Allakhazam

not even gonna read all these longs ass posts. bottom line, if your a hunter and you use/want this, your a noob. end of story

Comentado por Allakhazam

Proc chance is about 15%. not sure yet tho, so ill count on it some more, ill be back with sure numbers soon

Comentado por Allakhazam

Anise and flying circus making me cry FTL lol
43.10 crit rate....I hate you lol
You did have rallying cry though, and some other nice buffs

Comentado por Allakhazam

http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hallyofvanquishing013uh.jpg

Copy and paste address if clicking link doesn't work.

Edited, Sun Mar 5 23:59:19 2006

Comentado por Allakhazam

Im a warrior, i have it, its great fun, +5 crit from polearm spec make it just as good as arc reaper, if you got the money to spend on it, the proc can crit upwards of 1300, the proc also works with cleave, ww and sweeping strikes from what i have seen, no hunter needs this, its pointless, useless and a waste of your dkp / time / roll, hunters need stats, and not rely on a proc, get icebarbed if you want a polearm.

Comentado por Allakhazam

60 hunter and this baby droped for us in zg, since no warrior wanted it
they gave it to the fellowe hunter me :)
ofc they are many better hunter weapons and i dont use it in raids.
but this beautie is a lifesaver in pvp,as it can take a mage head just in a swing of a raptor strike.
but i agree that hunters should roll only on weapons that mellee ppl dont want
i wouldnt dare roll on the hakari warblade allthough it gives 40+attack power
cause rogues and warriors need em more.
ill just take any leftovers :)
but id kill anyone who rolled on mandokirs sting over a &*!@#$%.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Well I really liked this polearm it was good in the hands of my paladin and it owned sometimes in PvP with that sweet proc.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Proc chance is about 15%. not sure yet tho, so ill count on it some more, ill be back with sure numbers soon

Comentado por Allakhazam

is there a mod that can show when this baby procs? or can 'scrolling combat text' do that?
my eyes hurt from watching my combat log closely, checking when it procs...
(as for the yellow damage letters, i'm spamming MS and heroic all the time, so I won't notice it that way :D )

Comentado por Allakhazam

I can't help but look at this item and drooling. heh

Comentado por Allakhazam

i joined my guild two days ago, and was taken yesterday to ZG since they needed a warrior with imp. battle shout. i wasnt supposed to get any loot, but since i was only DPS war i got this kicka$$ weap!

i was fury till now, will respecc to MS and back to fury when i get hakkari war swords set.

Comentado por Allakhazam

i got this a few weaks back from bloodlord, its only dropped 3 times for my guild and we have been doing zg since it was introduced. this thing is so nasty for pvp, so far to date the highest i have gotten this thing to proc for is 1886, thats the proc alone. white damage i have had this thing proc for 1.1k on leather/cloth and around 800 on plate. before i got this i was fury speced, but after getting it i went over to a cookie cutter polearm spec ms build. i can say that the burst damage with this is insane, especially when you get alot ot targets together. in a pvp battle before i have charged in, swaped to berzerk stance hit the guy i was targeting and then hit whirlwind. all i saw was a white hit for 800, then the crit from whirlwind for 1.2k on everyone around me.

that wasnt the sick part, everyone i hit that time, proced a decapitation of at least 1.4k. talk about pwnage. instantly after that bg i became kos lol. it was awesome

Comentado por Allakhazam

he has a cat whoopdedoo...

Yeah, that's right, he's a dwarf hunter.

But it looks like he's wearing plate armor...

Comentado por Allakhazam

I got it for free so i took and using but im still not sure - is it better !dmg! than AR ?

http://www.deshroom.etak.pl/temp/polearm.jpg

http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?73697

Comentado por Allakhazam

I'm pretty sure that this beats the arcanite reaper in damage, especially for polearm spec'd warriors. I wonder though if the +crit on the polearm spec would work with the proc on this beast, or the doomsaw for that matter. I'd still rather have Zin'Rokh destroyer of worlds off of Hakkar.

Comentado por Allakhazam

As a prot warrior (5/10/36) with only dal rends main hand, I was lucky enough to get an invite to do ZG with a big guild, and even more lucky to have this drop AND no one wanted it - so I stuck my hand up.
Going out to silithus I went on a rampage with this in battle stance decapitation crits of 1200, execute crits of 3500. My feeling is it is best used with cleave and whirlwind.
I'm very happy to have this - now just need to get a nice enchant on it.

Comentado por Allakhazam

whats better ? TUF or this?

Comentado por Allakhazam

Flying Circus ftw :). Not as many good caster items there, so i'm keeping my priest out of it. Might go later with my hunter though.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Dropped on Uther last night during an Uther Coalition ZG run. One of the finest and baddest looking weapons I've seen so far in the game.

http://www.dark-genesis.net/images/zg_loot1.jpg

Comentado por Allakhazam

this is perfect...just perfect...

Comentado por Allakhazam

personally i think its just cool u can "decapitate" someone. I personally would love to have this weopeon to do that even if their head dosen't fall off. Personally i think if u kill a NE with the weopon i think u should get a severed night elf head like the ones you could get in AV

Comentado por Allakhazam

for a MS warrior, would this be better then the TUF? lacks stam and str, but that procc is crazy and mace specc sucks ass. the crit would be evened out due to polearm specc, so that wouldnt matter much. with this things speed and proc, would this be better then the TUF?

Comentado por Allakhazam

Halberd of Smithing and Bloodlord's Defender

Another view

Toraf, 60 Warrior
GM of Solid
Alliance
Kel'Thuzad

Comentado por Allakhazam

I don't see the need for the proc to do damage if it decapitates your target. Because, last I checked, decapitation is deadly. I guess if something is immune to decapitation then it will still do some damge which is nice. But yea i soloed and one-shotted onyxia with this, got lucky and the proc went off on the first hit.

Comentado por Allakhazam

This is definetly a weapon for both, Hunter, Paladin, and ( PvP ) warrior or off-tank...

I just hate to hear it when people think they know ALL ABOUT LOOT

This weapon is definetly for priests :P

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Hunters... /delete class

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Got mine today on our first visit to zul gurub
I WET MY PANTS!
http://web.telia.com/~u17121346/halber.JPG

Edited, Wed Sep 14 13:54:09 2005

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hey there guys can you please Explain to me why hunters want this Weapon ?
i'm a bit confused cause i know :
1-in good Guilds Hunters = Range Spec
2-Hunters Don't fight in melee Unless They Want to Suicide
3-Hunters Need +agi and +AP
4- Paladins can use this weapon and easily Out-DPS an Hunter in Melee ofc Warriors are better but Paladins can use this Baby for PVP
Well these are my reasons for Thinking Hunters don't Deserve to have the right to Bid on this if a War or Pal Wants it .

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wow guys seriously... its just the halberd
you guys are writing friggin books on if hunters can roll/bid on it
k now this is how priority goes for this item so shut up
1. MS Warrior
2. Pally
3. hunter
thats priority(you could probably argue over hunter or pally but this is imo)... a hunter can definitely use this, great for pvp but for pve not so much. so if you are in a guild and ur just starting end game stuff its best if you do priority first imo... being good at pvp does not help your guild what so ever, but if ur in some PuG, roll for that sh*t who gives a sh*t what class you are... if you can use it in any way roll on it. i would its a PuG.

damn it... i criticize all of you for arguing about this piece of junk and i get driven in, w/e im not backspacing any of this...
respect the priority if you want to progress....

P.S. have one of these, i out dps most mages and rogues now, /flex , yeah its pretty kool

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THE BEST POLEARM it deals hell a lot of dmg this is a great weapon for raids bot it drops at a very hard boss but it worth's it i am lvl 22 and i'm planing to kill blodlord mandokir and take hauberg of sminting :))(at lvl 60 )

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The procc on this thing is beautiful when it crits, I heard when ZG first came out this thing had a glitch where it procc'd twice in a row for no reason, insane.

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This polearm dropped for me in zg and ye i won it and im an paladin! it works amazingly cause the proc is Holy Damage means if you put seal of crusader on it its great Damage.and yes its 3.50 speed but if you put like seal of crusader its 40% faster. you deal a lil less damage means much more chanes to proc. to i use SoC whit it since i get double hits whit it means 2 hits again to get the proc.and top of that im reckoning means i can get up to 5 attacks means 5 chances of it to proc so thats why i think its better for paladin to take it than Hunters. yes its best for Ms Warriors (not fury tho) since they have many attacks /instant that goes of the proc.

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I can do mortal strike and normal attack and the proc will still hit. Still haven't gotten mortal strike crit, normal hit crit and the proc crit at the same time thou :D Would own.

sorry didnt know there was a reply button :P

edited again, highest crit so far on a warrior.

http://photobucket.com/albums/b386/ani_e/WoW/?action=view&current=procproc.jpg

Edited, Fri Sep 16 11:17:04 2005

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Somewhat decent shot of it:

http://members.roadfly.org/giant/halberd.jpg

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Anyone know the proc rate on this bad boy?

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LOL i was in AV and i had the chance on hit, and it procced with a crit, i did 3.8k damage in 1 second.....1 shotted this poor 55 NE hunter LOL

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For the one that have wrote that this is for hunters.

Well. If I had the choice between duel Dawn's Edge or this. I would take Dawn's Edge, because its not SO often I'm going melee - I got around 53 strength or so, but I think the crits are gonna be okay.
I do understand ppl who wants this, but I would take something that gave more stats for attackpower, %crit or agility.

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ok ive read about EVERY post here and i know a warrior friend that has it and Warriors benfit the most from it then hunters then pallys, simply becuase it has a RARE proc and warriors have to most instant attacks out of all 3 and hunters have Raptor strikes(6sec CD), Mongoose bite(again 6sec CD), and wing clip(instant), but MS warriors(i dont even count Fury cuz its not a 2hfury weapon) have MS, hamstring, rend, cleave(not instant but it hits like 4 ppl so there is 4 chances to proc) and Sweeping Strikes, etc. pallys have Auto attack and it has a 3.50 sec attack speed, thats the only reason i say Pallys last but im sure im wrong baout hunters over them. but anyway i can understand hunters using it for PvP cuz no one goes after your pet(and yes im a hunter) but a GOOD hunter can ALWAYS stay away and just take them down or kite them to death cuz hunters will NEVER beat any melee class in melee damage and if you are a hunter and rely on the proc then you should go delete your character and never play this game cuz it will never proc enough to save your a$$ in a melee fight. and also raptor strikes is just about the only worthwhile melee attack for hunters and if your spec'd for it Counter attack but that rarely comes up w/o deterrence goin. so every1 STFU cuz this should be WARRIOR priority

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All the posts about who should get this weapon are pathetic, vain and show to the world, that deep down you are all greedy little american %^&gots, with too much time on your hands.

Go get a job.

Go get a life.

Let this game be.

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http://www.kolumbus.fi/mauri.pyykonen/zgpolearm.jpg

what kind of ui is that, i mean the player frames

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the proc is crazy... ive had it proc for 1700... after the ghost nerf :)

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I WANT THIS! I've only seen it drop once which was like my first ever ZG raid.. Now im nearly Exhalted LOL, I have &*!@ty lil Earthshaker which granted im prot specced so i dont need 2h but i really want this :)

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Just in!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/ani_e/WoW/1107.jpg

NON CRIT :D:D:D

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such a sweet little weapon, ahh time shall come when it be mine.

and, well damn, doesn't matter HOW far you go from Darksorrow, there's still a flying circus member with better gear then anyone you know... =O

*keeps on running in hope*

Comentado por Allakhazam

found this on the EU warrior forum, and thought I'd share
http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uberhs8tz.jpg

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i looove this thing. I heard that patch 1.9 is gonna be changin something about the proc. Either they are talkin about only havin the decap occur without the initial hit dmg(kinda like an uber crit) or they are gonna make sure that when it decaps, that proc does cause another proc(which i wouldnt care about caue that never happens really). Hopefully the latter cuase when i see a monster hit, tagged along with a decap, the mob hp bar just drops! awesome stuff!

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Two people have this item on my server; it appears to be taking AP into account when "Decapitating" and thus increasing the overall DMG output.
Probably not intended, sadly.

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I dont see why all of you are arguing over what class should get this. Come on! It's worse than Nexusstrike! I can beleive you people are actually wasting DKPs on this!

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fecking hell u guys right alot of ballsh*t
i got it in a pub and im ahunter, i just got it cos noone wanted it and plus it looks cool, waiting for the 2hd sword from hakker, cant spell it but u know, anyways yeah it would look better and helps with Rap which the raid needs so meh :P

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Hope this drops next time i go :D hurry on thursday! ^_^

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I have this and it procs very rarely. If im lucky I get it proc once every AB game :/ I had it crit proc for 1758 once tho

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The proc rate isnt' great, but when it does proc, it can be insane dmg. I've had it crit for 1900, and procs can proc procs.

Any thoughts on whether this is better than an OEB?

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No drop :(

epic tabard, plate shoulders, leather leggins... thats it :(

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he has a cat whoopdedoo...

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if you have the time to farm to get this weapon you suck why dont you get a good guild and go do blackwing lair. how about instead of this go get the untamed blade. TUB 10% drop off of first boss in BWL compared to HOS 2% drop off i think last boss of ZG. Inconclusion get better guild do BWL get TUB stop being a noob!@!@!@!@!@!@!@

Edited, Jun 28th 2006 at 4:05am EDT by lawlrawr

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chance to decapitate causing X damage? since when is decapitation NOT fatal?

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http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5509/halberd3pg.jpg

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Just got this on my 57 hunter, I also have all 3 things for turning in rep once I hit 60.

Granted I only take him to get coins and bijous to send to my rogue for more shoulder enchants. It's still fun to think I'll be swingin this around when I hit 60, even if it is a $%^&ty hunter item.

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I've got it just tonight, I am prot specced, but I think it will be very good for farming. Beauty one.

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OMG that stuff is awesome!Me and my friend play on the ED realm and he got that stuff the day before yesterday and put a Demonslaying enchant on it!The next day we went to blasted lands and raided Lord Kazzak!MY FRIEND HIT HIM FOR ABOUT 7400 dmg whith Demonslaying + SoC (i thought the effects crossed with the normal attack)It was total ownage LOL!He couldnt beleive it!

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which1 is better this or obsidian edge blade?

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Speaking of Polearms. I'd rather use the High Warlord's Pigsticker.

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Got mine today. First try, first kill on Bloodlord Mandokir. It's really nice but I haven't seen the proc strike that much though.

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This thing may do huge crits, but mostly not. Best crit so far is with mortal strike crit + proc crit combo and it made totally something like 3,3k dmg. Enrage also raises the dmg, best proc this far is 1,7k ^_^

Edited, Mon Jun 5 17:21:24 2006

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Xyndrome - Turaylon - LvL 60 paladin < Knights of Luthien >
i just got this baby, and wooooh, am i happy or what =)
hehe got some shouting g-mates though, they are jealous ^^

Comentado por Allakhazam

its been longtime since i checked this post , and i saw an Dumb Idioit who
said Get a good Guild and go to BWL and get the Untamed Sword , Well are you an Idioit or your just making yourself Dumber.
1st my Guild goes to BWL .
2nd i was asking why in the ^&*! Hunters want this and no one gave me an Answer.
3rd ZG is 20 Men you idioit and BWL is 40 men .
4th the Untamed Sword is for Warriors then Hunters and Finnaly Paladins (thats how it is in my Guild ) so getting the Untamed Sword will Take me Months .
5th Use That Thing Above your shoulders .
6th i just got it and a Hunter in my Guild Was Pissed of so i dueled him
with pure Melee i used my old Weapon Blackhand Doomsaw and i raped him without
healing myself and i have 31 points in Holy and 20 in Retrbution , so he shuted up and i Dueled him again Using this Baby and i raped him with 2 hits maybe it was a bug but the Chance on Hit was Insane .
Have Fun :)

Comentado por Allakhazam

This polearm is awesome for my pally with SoC. In one swing I got 700 crit, 435 SoC proc and 1600 weapon proc crit. I have a Finkle's lava dredger too but I prefer this for the burst damage in pvp plus it looks badass.

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looks awesome O_O

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Lâmina Afiada Obsidiana OEB

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i have this polearm.. along with jin'do's hexxer off jin'do.. i've pretty much got every loot a pally could want out of ZG.. all the peacekeeper, jin'do's hexxer, the halberd, and i almost have the freethinker's BP.. popped a crusader on the halberd.. and i cn still do some good dps with it, and im holy specced.. 29/11/11 healing pally with some prot and still have SoC.. just puttin that out there for any pallies still lookin for a set up

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OK, when i go here, if this drops, I'm needing, i don't care if i get booted out of the group, all i want, is this, and that tiger mount. :)

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http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8261/12344on.jpg

*Since someone started a thread with my picture it got removed due to high bandwith.*

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=4882443&p=1&tmp=1#post4882443

Hope this one works.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/ani_e/WoW/16.jpg

The weapon proc.

Edited, Wed Sep 14 20:41:29 2005

Comentado por Allakhazam

What is the proc rate on this?

When you decapitate do you then as well do a normal hit? so the 19xx crit is + you normal hit which could also crit? or did I misunderstand something?

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Got mine on Bleeding Hollow Server. One of under 10 that have it. Veyr lucky, first try 3rd ever kill on him. Roll 95 FTW! Had it proc a few times for 1500-2100 hits..... Yea, it was you I hit, and you thought " omgz, wtf!"

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Proc chance is about 15%. not sure yet tho, so ill count on it some more, ill be back with sure numbers soon

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My Paladin Niara has that poearm on Bladefist. Got it first day in ZG its awsome i love it. Allmost one hited my Mage friend in Duel once.

The prock isnt often but when it hapens it can make huge dmg.

Crousador enchant is recomended.

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I will respond to utherx and feverbloodscalp to explain why hunters would benefit from these kinds of weapons. I have played a hunter on PvP servers and spent a lot of time killing melee classes (thousands of killing blows in battlegrounds and top kills over half the time even when my faction loses). How can I do that? I use all resources at my disposal, but things like engineering and other strategies are beyond the scope of this rebuttal. Right now let's discuss weapons and the myths about hunter combat from the point of view of a hunter who kills more people in PvP than any competing class:

Wrongheaded argument 1: hunters should only care about stats (particularly agility). Ha ha! If you are fighting mobs, a little extra agility makes no difference because mobs are stupid and you just stand back and kill them at your leisure. If you are fighting PvP and players are so stupid that they let you stand back and shoot them, they will also die and deservedly so. But most players understand that they should close in and engage you, either casting in your dead zone or doing hand-to-hand combat. All that agility is worth ZERO at that point, which is where you will find yourself constantly in PvP.

Wrongheaded argument 2: hunters can't/don't/shouldn't melee. See above--everyone will want to melee you (except other hunters). Since you can't avoid melee, what should you do? If you have the savage strikes talent (of course you do), your crit chance is raised by 20% for the raptor strike you can do every 6 seconds. Make it count--get a big, slow weapon that will crit for a lot of damage. When they close in on you, take that raptor strike swing for +20% crit chance! Then hit them with a wing clip (which is instant cast) and run. You want to use a weapon with about a 3.5 second delay so that you get about one second to spam raptor strike every other swing after the cooldown expires. This will maximize your damage in melee (and it will be a lot with a monster weapon).

Wrongheaded argument 3: Hunters shouldn't get warrior/rogue weapons. Since rogues favor fast weapons, I would agree. I also wouldn't bother with any dual wield combinations (despite the popularity of such things in the hunter world, ostensibly to get the max +30 agility enchanting--see argument 1). But hunters need the biggest, meanest 2-hand weapon they can wield. That does put them in conflict with many a mighty warrior. Okay, if the weapon is better than what a warrior already has, let him have it. But if the melee guys already have something as good or better, the hunter deserves to get a shot at a good high damage 2-hander. In a PUG, people are going to be jerks about it. But a guild is just shooting themselves in the foot to deny a high crit weapon to their hunters, especially if they do PvP.

Now lots of people think that stats are more important than procs for a hunter. Let's consider why that is not true for PvP. Critical strikes and procs are both a kind of damage that increases variability. They don't occur often, but when they do, they skew the fight heavily in your favor if they are BIG. This is why fast, low damage weapons are worthless to hunters: your raptor strike can be used once every six seconds no matter how big the crit will be off the weapon, so a fast weapon will crit for less damage about as often as a slow weapon will crit for more damage.

But what about procs? Suppose you go for some +stat weapon that raises your average damage a few DPS. Will you win PvP fights more often? The answer is NO! For example, if that rogue or warrior can do 200 DPS and you and your pet can do 160 DPS, raising your DPS to 170 means that they will need a bigger bandage and you will still die every time. It is true that you will never be able to duel a melee class on their terms and win (just like they aren't going to stand at a distance and win a duel with bows or guns against a hunter).

So how do you compensate? Forget +AGI, that won't win in PvP. Weapon procs and high crit chance is the answer! Instead of going for +stats, go for weapon procs. That means getting something like Kang the Decapitator or the Halberd of Smiting and putting fiery enchant or lifesteal on it. As far as equipment goes, AGI only works on ranged attacks, but generic +AP and +crit helps both. Even strength is useful for buffing up your melee damage. Every seven seconds or so you are going to use raptor strike to give melee classes a taste of their own medicine, so make it painful. Did I mention that no competent hunter is missing the savage strikes talent?

Your strategy should be to do as much damage at range as you can (freezing trap, concussive shot, sic your pet on them, serpent sting, and net-o-matic projector) and then raptor strike for huge crits and possible weapon procs when they get close. Drop a stick of dynamite or a bomb on them, too. Make sure you have minor speed increase on your boots instead of +AGI, and consider using goblin or gnomish rocket boots to outmaneuver your opponent. There is also the rocket helm and harm prevention belt, too. And the deathray is a fun! Use wing clip to help you get back out to range. Kite them and crit them and proc them and they will die!

But the bottom line is that a big, nasty, 3.5 second melee weapon with a damage proc is a hunter's best friend in PvP.

Obviously warriors are going to lobby against a hunter getting it--but that is motivated by self-interest masquerading as sound advice. I already said that if your fellow warrior would benefit from a good melee weapon, let them have it. But if you are in an enlightened guild, you should be able to get a top-of-the-line melee weapon as a hunter. Melee is not the first choice for combat, but you should be prepared to use it to win a fight against an opponent you have weakened at range. Melee is the finishing move, rather than the opening move, for hunters.

As an additional gee whiz comment, let's mention hunter talents in light of PvP and melee. Most people say that the marksmanship tree is the way to go for maximum DPS. This is true for carebear PvE hunters who want to reinforce the "hunters are doormats for melee classes" image. But if you are doing PvP, the marksmanship tree is going to be totally worthless (as I said in argument 1, everyone is going to run up to you so you can't shoot them). What you need is to increase melee damage. That means improve your pet (the best DOT you have) with the beast mastery talents and getting survivalist skills that increase melee crit chance and damage.

"But no one will want me in raids if I follow your advice!" I hear some hunters wailing. Wake up! No one wants you in raids anyway, so you are already lucky if you get to go at all. You will be missing that worthless aura and alittle DPS. Mages and rogues will actually be glad because it will be easier for them to top the damage meters if you are nerfed. Just do your part and support the team and collect your epic gear--so you can lay waste to your critics in battlegrounds! It is much more satisfying to send warriors, rogues, and shaman to the graveyard wondering what happened because, as every imbecile knows, hunters can't melee.

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