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Comentado por Ryjin

A definite upgrade over the tier 4 helm for rogues. https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29044

+33 Armor(like it matters)
+12 Agility
+10 Stamina
Red Socket - Glinting Noble Topaz +4 agil +4 hit
Yellow Socket - Glinting Noble Topaz +4 agil +4 hit
Blue Socket - Pop a solid star of elune +12 stam
+10 hit rating
+4 ap
Put on the 34ap/16hit cenarion enchant you're looking at a total of:

+172 AP
+48 hit
+60 stamina
2.2% dodge
Flanker Credit: Also 1.2% crit (ty)

Long story short, I can't wait for Zul'Aman.

Comentado por 9697

The iLevel of this item denotes it as The Eye/SSC quality loot.

Comentado por Nulgar

Rumoredly drops from Zul'jin, last boss in Zul'Aman

Comentado por sennan

This is part of the unofficial 2.3 Rogue set. As of the 15th October, the other pieces sharing the same skin/looks include:

Helm
Grimgrin Faceguard - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33479

Shoulders
Shoulderpads of Dancing Blades - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33300

Chest
Shadowtooth Trollskin Cuirass - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33329

Waist
Bladeangel's Money Belt - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33211

Hands
Trickster's Stickyfingers - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33539

Legs
Shallow-grave Trousers - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33538

Feet
Nyn'jah's Tabi Boots - https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33222

Merge them like Voltron, and look much, much cooler!

Comentado por 64597

Confirmed drop off Zul'jin, the last boss of ZA.

Comentado por rayzorium

It's not as good as T5 imo.

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30146

Pretty much the same all around, except this one has a little more AP and no meta gem. Depends on how much you value metas, I guess. The 12 agi and 3% crit damage one easily enough to beat two regular gems and 4 AP.

Comentado por 39766

As sockets for a feral druid its smart to go with:

Red 8agi
Red 8agi
Blue 12stam

Comentado por 106127

Think most people are underestimating how good the meta slot in t4 helm is.

This is a slight upgrade to t4, probably worse if you're losing 2pc.

The difference between the two is 16agi 12ap 14hit vs the meta gem (around 80aep)

Comentado por 95777

Well, my previous comment appears to have disappeared. Basically what I said was: meta sockets are over-rated, and meta gem activation requirements are annoying.

To clarify, I did not say that a meta-socket is worth 10 AEP. I said the second half of the best rogue meta gem is worth around 10 AEP.

Your claim that math shows a meta socket to be worth 80 AEP is ludicrous. Think about what you're saying. If a meta socket is worth 80 AEP then you could replace it with +80 agility without any noticeable change to your dps.

There are only a few meta gems that make sense for a rogue to use in a raid. Let's consider them each on their own, starting with the least.

+24 AP, minor run speed increase: 1 AP = 0.5 AEP, so the AEP of this meta is 12. the minor run speed increase, while useful, does not boost your dps and thus is worth 0 AEP

+12 crit, +5% snare resist: 1 crit = 1 AEP (or slightly less) so at best this is worth 12 AEP. snare resist gets 0 AEP

chance on hit to increase attack speed: this one is hard to quantify, but from what I've heard the proc chance is so low that this gem is barely useful. I would rank it somewhere between 10 and 20 AEP.

+12 agility, +3% crit bonus dmg: obviously, the +12 agility is worth 12 AEP. So how much is the other part worth? I say around 10 AEP, giving a total AEP of 22.

Here's the deal with the +3% crit bonus dmg. From what I've seen, it only affects white attacks. And it only affects crit bonus dmg. So, it will only trigger on between 25% and 35% of your auto attacks. And when it does, it adds rather small amounts of damage. If your mh white attack crits for say ~1000, this added about 15 dmg to the attack. Off hand crits are probably more like ~400, meaning this adds about 6 dmg to the attack. (6 + 15) * 0.30 = 6.3 dmg on average. As far as I can tell, it would only take about 10 agility to have the same affect. I could be wrong, it might be slightly more or less, but there's no way it's anywhere close to the 68 agility that you implied.

Moving on . . .

It's all well and good to claim that "2 blue gems aren't exactly hard to socket without losing stats" but you're making rather broad assumptions about what gear a rogue is likely to have. Here's a great example: You mentioned the ninja boots, and yes they are ideal, but hardly the only likely option: Boots of Utter Darkness, Rapscallion Boots, Boots of Effortless Striking, Edgewalker Boots, are all very likely and of these only Edgewalker's has sockets and that one doesn't have a blue socket.

It's just so much better to not have to worry about your gem assortment, and any concession at all (like putting a shifting nightseye instead of a glinting noble topaz in the red socket in Edgewalkers, for example) in your dps gems makes the meta socket worth that much less.

In summary . . .

This helm is better for raid dps than t4 and deathblow and in fact any rogue helm in the game except t6 and cursed vision of sargeras.

Comentado por Foxpaw

I'd have to say anyone debating sockets and metas; You could always go way out on a limb and actually use a purple, green or orange gem (gasp!) which most people here seem to equate to committing some kind of heresy. God forbid you go for gems that can add two stats you can use instead of just one. e_e

Comentado por Slit

This helm is a huge upgrade from T4; and combining this one with 2 T4 and 2 T5 makes the way for some really nice dps in raids as combat swords.

Comentado por georulez

what about engineer's googles?? just the +3% crit dmg for my 26% chance to crit give me +1.5% overall dmg im caped with hit anyways just change some epic im so confused damn za drops

and as for that kick example ur totally wrong maybe u dont have proper gems for meta to work>>> NOOB

Comentado por 74227

Quite possibly my pick for the coolest looking item in the game. :P

Comentado por 69557

Is it better than x11?

Comentado por Flyv

For cat druids, Toskk's DPS method puts this significantly below the T4 helm. The problem is entirely the lack of the meta gem; 3% extra damage on crits makes a big difference for a cat with 40-50% crit rating. Interestingly it works better as a bear tank helm; between T4 and T5 according to Emmerald's model.

It's very unusual for a helm this level to not have a meta socket. Maybe Blizzard will reconsider the item at some point.

Comentado por 93488

40 agility and 3 sockets. Would be a great helm for survival hunters especially if they socket 3 10 agility gems. Would probably let rogues roll on it first though.

Comentado por Allakhazam

wayyy better than my tier 4 helm. cant wait to start raiding for this

Comentado por Thottbot

I take it this drops from Zul'Jin in Zul'Aman? One question: where's the meta socket?

Comentado por Thottbot

This is a sick looking mask. FINALLY, other races can bask in the awesomeness of tusks.

Comentado por Thottbot

yes this drops off zul'jin and indeed it does look sexy this is a very good drop rate if you are a guild master of a t4 guild i suggest grinding this instance a lot weve gotten so many epics for our lower-end geared up players

PS- if you think it looks good on nightelf try duble tusks with troll *ooooh-aaaaahhh* yes this is a nice looking helm =)

Comentado por Thottbot

Dropped for me November 28, my guild's second Zul'jin drop. I was present for the server first Zul'jin drop the week before but bowed out of the run to allow another guild rogue a chance to learn the fights. He bowed out after Malcrass and I was brought in for Zul...he was not a happy camper the next day.

All in all I would say this rivals the T5 rogue helm in terms of total quality. I would have almost liked to see a Metagem socket but in the long run, with a glyph of ferocity and +hit/+crit/+AP gems, you actually wind up with a more solid helm. It also blends marvelously with whatever pieces of Netherblades or Deathmantle you may have.

Mutig
<Heaven and Earth>
Farstriders

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Farstriders&n;=Mutig

Comentado por Thottbot

With the "nerfing" of HotW to boost AP by 10% instead of str by 20%, there is no reason to prefer Str over AP in your gear.

Comentado por Thottbot

Regards to the posters above me:

This is the point of view from a feral druid

Yes, this is a goddamn good piece of dps gear but i would pass my roll if i had a rogue in my raid..

however feral druids ARE viable dps, albeit not as good as rogues, but the impression im getting from u guys are that ferals can only tank and will only tank, i don't even know why people are explaining the reasons y its not a "tanking" gear when its obvious to manythat its not.. and in case nobody realized, ferals contribute major dps to other classes such as rogues and warriors due to their mangle debuff (bleed damage) and LOTP crit.. ferals deal massive amounts of dps when they RIP, so if ur guild's ferals are dealing low damage then its probably because they are using FB and other useless skills which can go suck my balls..

another point: due to the new HOTW talent, the bonus % is now AP, so people are saying that there is no difference between STR and AP.. This is NOT TRUE as STR will always be better than AP. why? becoz u will stand to gain more AP when u get buffed by Blessing of Kings.. for ferals, raw stats will always be better. i did some calculation, 22 crit rating will give u 1% crit, while 24 agi will give u 1% crit, 24 AP, armour, and dodge.. so again, for ferals, just get raw stats and u'll be a happy kitty

Comentado por Thottbot

wats the point of feral druids? if you want to be able to stealth and do DPS there's an obvious class....ROGUE! <Im about to be humped by all druids who read this arent i? >.<

Comentado por Thottbot

so whats the best tank for Zul'jin? thinking about it i would say druid because he aggro resets ever 20% and those overpowers would do way less damage. Also when he goes into bird form you *could* go kitty form just to burn him down faster, no?

Comentado por Thottbot

I would love to see this on a tauren

tusks + horns :)

Anyway, sick as hell helm, alows you to get massive amounts of crit, hit and AP, which is all i can want as a rogue.

And do troll's tusks stack with these tusks O_o

Comentado por Thottbot

I'm sorry ferals, but no, you're not rogues, no, you're not as good as or better DPSers, and no, this is not a feral offtank helm. Why would they make a class that can tank and DPS as well as another class specifically built for DPS in the same tree? It would defy logic. Personally I wouldn't roll on it on my rogue anyway due to its lack of a meta gem, but ferals getting priority on DPS leather is lame, especially when the leather has no strength and a lot of hit rating on it. Besides, having such an awesome-looking helm on a cat is pretty pointless, don't you think?

Comentado por Thottbot

Awesome hat :D

Fury warrior here; third person to get it in my guild (it has dropped all but one time we've killed ZJ). Gem it up with +8 str and good to go. lacks a meta gem, but more health, attack power, and hit than t4 dps hat.

Comentado por Thottbot

So lots of people saying that this goes to rogues and its not for druids mainly. Some even saying it sucks for tanking. Well I was using Helm of Malorne before and this was big upgrade on my tanking gear at least on my opinion. Heres how it gives stats on bear form compared to malorne:

Stats without helm in bear form:
Health: 12554
Armor: 29724
Power: 1725
Crit: 29,72%
Dodge: 39,10%
Hit: 22
Def 394

-Stats when Stag-Helm of Malorne is equipped (Gems: 8def, 18stam+5stunresist)-

Health: 13304 +750
Armor: 32494 +2770
Power: 1809 +84
Crit: 31,24% +1,52
Dodge: 42,98% +3,88
Hit: 22 +0
Def: 404 +10

-Stats when Grimgrin Faceguard is equipped (Gems: 8agi, 5def+4 dodge rating, 5dodge rating+6stam)-
Health: 13384 +830
Armor: 31699 +1975
Power: 1815 +90
Crit: 31,72% +2%
Dodge: 44,23% +5,13%
Hit: 46 +24
Def: 403 +9

-Heres direct compare on stats: Malorne Vs Grimgrin-
Health: Grimgrin +80
Armor: Malorne +795
Power: Grimgrin +6
Crit: Grimgrin +0,48%
Dodge: Grimgrin +1,25%
Hit: Grimgrin +24
Def Malorne +1

So at least when your armor is high enough and you are not using t4 set bonus Gringrin wins easily. It gives 5,13% dodge which is great amount for one eq to give and +hit+crit also increases TPS.

Well I didnt get this from rogue, I was only one rolling at the time, but rogue would have given it to me anyway if he would have been present.

Comentado por Thottbot

the rogues in my guild dont want it for some reason so if it drops its mine(hunter)
i love the rogues in my guild <3
though i have a feeling that if this rlly dropped they might change their minds(of course i wouldnt mind at all) XD

Comentado por Thottbot

Still hasn't dropped.. >.<

Comentado por Thottbot

I am actually using this as a fury warrior. Much better then t4 helm for warrior dps.

Comentado por Thottbot

Is this better than the x11 goggles?

Comentado por Thottbot

"Feral dps piece mon. I'd snatch this from a guild rogue faster than he can say balls deep. Our rogues are very well geared anyways, tier 4, while my dps helm is my tier 4 socketed/enchanted for tanking. I dps most of the time anyways. While this didn't drop on our first and only Zul'jin kill, I'm gonna roll on it when it does. :) Already got the chestpiece from Dragonhawk.. our rogue didn't want it, he would've lost hit rating, but he's perfectly fine with me being his competition, even if I am primarily a tank. And no, I wouldn't use this for tanking, its terrible for tanking, but amazing for dps. *Drools*"

Wait-so you dps most of the time but tank...make sense plz kthxbai

Comentado por Thottbot

I'm a feral druid myself, if this drops I'd say just go with priorities unless you are some dumb PUG, the order should be as following

1) rogues or cats, because they DPS "100%" of the time

2) bears, because they could go cat whenever bear is not used

3) hunters...ok, this is when both rogues and druids pass, any guild letting a hunter roll against "leather" users can go to hell, after all, would any hunters prefer fury warrior and ret pally come to rob and say "ha I want that mail it's sooooo nice."

4)finally....if it's really that bad, ok let the damn warriors and pallies roll

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Nível do Item: 133
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341 Armadura
+40 Agilidade
+48 Vigor

Engaste vermelho
Engaste amarelo
Engaste azul
Bônus de Engaste: +8 Poder de Ataque

Durabilidade 70 / 70

Requer Nível 70
Equipado: Aumenta em 24 a taxa de acerto.
Equipar: Aumenta em 82 o poder de ataque.

Preço de Venda: 5 18 57

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