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Comentado por Vuelhering

Is it worth it?
Only time will tell at this juncture.

Tune in next week to discover the secret of .... oh wait, we can figure it out now.

Time won't tell. Numbers will tell. Here are some simple numbers, which are mostly estimates, but will show what the tradeoffs are.

Using your example, a 2.5 sec spellcast (which was probably talented down from 3.0 sec, so we'll say it's a warlock) you get 86% of your +damage. To average 2.5k with a non-crit shadowbolt, you'll probably have around +1300 spelldamage, 20% crit, and Ruin, and some debuffs. Or more crit and less damage. Or some combination.

To get 10% more damage, you could either add in about 150 spell haste, around 240 spellcrit, or another 140-ish damage.

Because most people start with 0 spell haste, it is probably the best to improve. In other words, if you have 0 spelldamage, getting +200 is pretty good and will increase your damage some 40%. But if you have +1000 already, it will only increase maybe 10%.

With your example, I would trade off spell haste for spell damage if you have a lot of +damage (like +1000 completely unbuffed) at a 1:1 rate.

If you have lower spell damage than around +1000, you shouldn't trade off haste. You'll get more damage overall if you just increase your +damage. Again, that's an estimate, but it should be close.

Comentado por peoii

With your example, I would trade off spell haste for spell damage if you have a lot of +damage (like +1000 completely unbuffed) at a 1:1 rate.

The only trick with this statement is typically we're not trading off spell dmg looking at the current itemization, we're looking at replacing +hit or +crit for this haste. Now speaking for myself as an arcane spec'd mage, +hit is very very easy to come by and easy to cap. So I am definitely looking at trading off some of my +crit for haste. It's a very worth it mechanic, and scales perfectly with your other gear upgrades. imho one of the best itemizations you can get once, as you say, you're properly geared.

Comentado por 70660

10% crit and 10% haste rating would give nearly same dps increase. For a mage viewpoint, fire gets a little bit more dmg form crit, frost gets exactly the same, and arcane gains more from haste since arcane crits is only 1.75
With that being said, it looks like spell haste rating and crit rating worth same point when considering item lvls.
1% crit = 22.1 rating and 1% haste = 15.76 rating, so it is easier to stack haste rating.
I wouldn't change my items with 1.5% crit for some 1.5% haste rating items but new badge rewards and zulaman drops are very nice to upgrade your weaker parts with no crit and possibly some hit ratings if you have more than cap requirement and using item only because you dont have better (which is a rare situation)

Comentado por 57406

i pity people who still use frozen shadowweave over this item. its just not smart playing.

Comentado por 98672

This robe looks exactly the same as Vermillion Robes of the Dominant Dropped in Steamvaults. https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27799
It dropped for my guild on our first Zul'Aman raid from Halazzi the Lynx Avatar. It takes a bit of coordination to take this boss down, as it has two phases, but then again, any caster can then roll on a nice +spell haste robe :)

Comentado por lethalnl

this is quite possibly one of the worst dps items, way to much item lvl spent on spirit

Comentado por 96752

i am an Arcane Spec'd Mage, just got this drop last night. i would like to use it but it interupts my Spellfire Set Bonus which gives me alot more SP damage and crit. i was thinking if i i got a few more pieces with spellhaste i could be better off using that for pvp then my spellfire set since my arcane missles would be caster faster which means i could be DPSing fools down fast. was just a thought but what do u guys think? look up Daruka on the armory to see hwo im spec'd for further advice. thanks

Comentado por Elvyuir

New art in 2.3.2

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Comentado por 33153

For shadow priests:

A rough rule of thumb to use is as follows:

At 1000 damage, 1 haste = 0.6 damage.
At 1200 damage, 1 haste = 0.8 damage.
At 1400 damage, 1 haste = 1 damage.
At 1600 damage, 1 haste = 1.2 damage.
At 1800 damage, 1 haste = 1.4 damage.

This is from shadowpriest.com

Depending on the rest of your gear, the haste on these could add up to alot.

Comentado por 59316

It is interesting to note that this may be the only piece of equipment in the game that actually shows more skin on a male character than on a female character (mostly due to the female models' requisite bra).

It is very unusual to see a piece of equipment that shows skin on both male and female characters, when usually such pieces are revealing on a female character and not so on a male one.

Comentado por Thottbot

got it the other day....with runed spell cuffs my fireball casts at 2.89 secs...cant figure out if thats a decent trade off over crit...could someone who's good with numbers throw some math up here for me..= )

Comentado por Thottbot

Wondering what classes this thing is best for, in the opinion of others. Seems to me like the +spirit makes this a mage item, and less of a warlock item.

Comentado por Thottbot

this would be kinda neat on disc DPS priest? any comments?

Comentado por Thottbot

Not quite. No fight is a set time and in no fight are you just using fireball and standing still. ie: No fight is a 7 sec fight with you standing still casting fireball. In other words, your input may have had numbers, but was realistically false in the PvP sense.

#1: There is no enchantment that increases spell haste rating, BUT there is an enchantment for +spell dmg. IE: You may sacrifice +spell crit rating to get these that have +haste rating, but you make up for the loss of crit rating by far with the ability to cast faster and enchant to increase +spell dmg even more.

#2: In a fight, an increased haste rating could allow someone to get off 2 fireballs before getting stunned or silenced. Granted, this kinda depends on how you fight, but for those that are good with their char, haste rating helps alot more than a small crit increase. Spec right with crit for OTHER pieces of armor, and you make up for it greatly.

Comentado por Thottbot

Casting speed is the time it takes for a spell to take effect. Some spells are "instant" and take effect immediately. Some spells are "channeled" and have their effects occur over the duration of the cast. Others take effect after a specific "cast time" with typically more powerful spells having longer cast times. Regardless of the type of spell, there is a global cooldown which prevents rapid spellcasting even with "instant" spells.

Casting speed affects the cast time of spells. It is determined by several factors. The base "cast time" is specified in the spell. Most classes have talents which can reduce the cast time of a spell (eg. Light's Grace and its effect on Holy Light), a class of spell (eg. Divine Fury), a school of spell (eg. all holy spells), or all spells in general (eg. Martyrdom and the Focused Casting effect). Additionally, some classes have spells which temporarily reduce the cast time of subsequent spells (eg. Nature's Swiftness). Spell haste is calculated based on modified casting speed, i.e. with the Bane talent for warlocks, the spell haste would be calculated with 2.5 second Shadowbolts rather than 3 seconds.

Finally, certain items provide a "spell haste" bonus or a "spell haste rating" bonus. Spell haste rating is used to determine the characters spell haste bonus. At level 70, 15.7 (as of 2.2) points of spell haste rating grants 1% spell haste bonus. As of 2.4.0 spell haste also influences spellcasting global cooldown.

Certain debuffs (eg. Curse of Tongues, Mind-numbing Poison) can decrease your casting speed.

Comentado por Thottbot

Just got these last night, makes my BE mage look more skimpy than ever. /creeper
I have a couple pieces of haste gear and find it boosts my dps considerably (2.8s casts for my fireball). Only nub mages go oom on raid fights. Cycling mana emeralds, mana pots, and evocation keeps your mana pool up longer than boss fights should last. So for raiding mages, haste is a nice stat.
Oh, and spell haste affects global CDs now.

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