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Comentado por Hazelluna

This quest reward Polearm has the maximum agility that a Hunter needs to get the job done in the Burning Crusade expansion. Unlike most spears it does not need the +25 agility enchant to make it over-the-top when providing ranged attack power. As well despite it's slow speed it makes for great dmg when combat turns close.

Comentado por 11676

WOW This is such an amazing hunter weapon. Heck, it's pretty amazing for any melee class that can use it.

Comentado por 16380

As a Hunter i can tell you that the polearm you get ftom HH is really good when talkin' abought dps, 92+70 ap is really amaizin'.
BUT! 52 agi = 2+ crit chance, "crit rating" gives less crit chance when u lvl up, but agi gives the same crit chance so terokk's quil is the best choice when speakin' abought crit/dps balance. I have this Pa since yesterday, and really love it :P but if your crit is above ~25% hellforged could be better, i think ill keep both:)

Comentado por 18676

While this is a potentially very nice hunter weapon for pvp, I don't think it touches a green available much earlier in the game from Zangamarsh. The Survivalist's Pike https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27751, has far better balanced hunter stats and more attack power overall. 21 agi, 30 sta, 20 int, 40 atkp. It loses a crit compared to the quill's agi, but for leveling I'd take this weapon over it any day. My limiting factor when grinding and questing is not my RAP, but my mana pool. Especially with outland itemization, hunters need to remember that we are no longer a 2 stat class.

Comentado por 4130

Terokk's Quill is the new Ice Barbed Spear.

Comentado por 28701

I agree with erizein, and to a degree with dirtyboy. I have always considered crit to be more of a grinding/pvp type of stat, while AP was more of the instancing stat (don't get me wrong you need both in both cases, I'm just talking about primary focus). In a raid or party you want high attack power to maintain consistent dps, high crits are of course probably better over all dps (considering all the talents they proc) however they make aggro kind of hard to control, and you can only FD so much. So I think this is the better weapon for grinding and pvp, but for any raids I'd easily take the halberd/blackend spear, or even the survivalist pike (MM high end talents and aspect of viper have made int very nice for consistent dps in groups). Plus your going to want to grind the thrallmar/honor hold rep anyways for your bow or gun

Comentado por esdawg

Yes, at level 70 there are many better options for a 2 hander. But the same could be said about the Ice Barbed Spear. Just like the Ice Barbed Spear it's not just the quality of the item but the fact that it's available at a FAR earlier level than its stats would suggest. The quest to get this weapon becomes available at level 65. Until level 68 no 2 hander can pass this thing up in power and until level 70 there aren't many practical alternatives.

It is a difficult quest to complete as Setthek Halls is a 67-69 oriented instance and the mobs are tough. However the end reward was definitely worth it.

There are only 4 other weapons before 70 that have comparable stats. The Crow Wing Reaper, which drops from Talon King Ikiss the last boss for Sethekk Halls. The Oathkeeper, a paladin weapon, Firemaul of Destruction from Shattered Halls a lvl 70 instance and Crystal Forged War axe which is a random world drop item.

This weapon is amazing, even for a Warrior. It's a little faster than the usual 2 hander but its raw damage wins out over time. Yes, it lacks strength or attack power bonuses which some assume exlcudes it from a Warrior's list. The 93 dps makes up for that shortcoming in spades.

Also the +stamina is always welcome and +agility is really quite useful nonetheless. With the 2.1 patch the +agil equals out to roughly +2% crit at level 70. Of course the +agil adds 108 armour and a decent amount of + Dodge.

In regards to the Survivalist's Pike - The actual Attack Power is 61 after factoring in Agility. Terrok's Quill is 54, that's a minor difference. Not only that but the effects the Agility stat has on criticals, armour and Dodge more than make up for the marginal attack power difference. Intellect is the big stat difference but Terrok's Quill has 30 more DPS built in, that's a difference of 420 AP in melee. A melee weapon is the Hunter's secondary weapon but this thing is so powerful that it may just be able to contest alternatives.

Comentado por Eldariel

Easy to get and all hunters should take this one! If you can't get sonic spear, get this one :D

Comentado por Belore

Maximaeros Warrior:
I got very lucky and found a good group who was willing to take me there @ 66. I would like to advice every warrior (who is still grinding and not spamming instances) to go arms at this point.
Ofc there are better 2h'rs wich you will (and can) find, but this is a great start !

Comentado por georgie

hunters should bank this if they have it and sonic spear drops, great for survival hunters, vendored it when i was marks and im survival now
missing that agi soooo much T_T

Comentado por 51413

Heres how i see it layed out as a 70 MS warrior:

my favorite out of these, and what i'm currently using, is
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=28253#M0z

it has a slower attack speed, pumping out higher dmg on MS and whirlwind (if you go berserker stance)
along wit the direct crit rating and basic war stats i just find it the most useful out of them. its also a easy drop from a easier instance (from First boss of mechanar) its not amazingly hard too grab.

second, everyone's favorite, the Crystalforged war axe.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=31291

Meh, i bought this for 69, and found it pretty useless. the dps is lower then most of the other weapons i had laying around. while the stats are nice (80 AP for sure) i don't think the damage is worth it in the end. Save the money and spend it on the flying mount you'll need next level.

last is the crow wing ripper, from Sethekk halls.
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27986#M0z

This is the only one of these i have'nt gotten, it drops from the last boss of sethekk halls. while the instance is short, the drop rate on this thing gets on my nerves after awhile. I don't think this is worth running sethekk halls for, considering theres the polearm from mech at a better drop rate. it has lower end MS damage due too lower attack speed, and no direct + crit rating. while the red sockets are nice, i don't think its worth running then buying gems for.

some runner ups are https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=29329#M0z
which has low dmg with higher attack speed, but you might end up sing it at 66 since its free from a quest.

also noteworthy,
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27903
A nice weapon too have, but pass it too a hunter if theres one in the party. like the quill its more hunter loot, agi stam and some other neat things on there for em. but its solid MS dmg and the stats could help. likely the hardest one of all these too get, being from the last boss of shadow labyrinth.

hope this all helped any indecsive warriors, and know that most of these are arguable, this just being mah opinion.

Comentado por 22097

Red and Black color scheme as of 2.1, looks nice :]

Comentado por 48339

Using WoWWiki's calculation for hunters (http://www.wowwiki.com/Hunter)

Comparing the Crystalforged War Axe (CFA), it looks like the CFA edges this out in nearly every category. (no, I don't count dodge rating, ever)

CFA: 1.22 crit (27 crit rating)
80 AP
150 AP w/ savagery
115 AP w/ +35 agi and 2.095% crit

TQ: 1.35 crit (from the 54 agi)
54 AP
124 AP w/savagery
89 AP and 2.225% crit

So is .13 crit > 26 AP? IMO - no.
Your call though. :)
Happy hunt(er)ing.

Comentado por 28380

Pretty nice weapon for a hunter, specially when you can get it at lvl 66.

Comentado por 82395

got this today, and considering it is 12 DPS higher than my previous weapon (honed voidaxe from ring of blood) it is basically the new IBS

now to go lvl up my polearm skill

Comentado por 109382

am i missing something?
it says this quest is avalible 4 lv 65, yet the lowest im hearing about is 66

Comentado por 122819

Wow, great hunter weapon.

Comentado por slimshady

best weapon survival hunter can get(b4 legacy, or something better :)). its best nonraiding SV hunter weapon...

Comentado por 137111

A really amazing weapon for its availability and as someone has mentioned above the new 'ice barbed spear'.

Sure its a little fast for the two specs that focus on 2 handers (MS warriors and ret pallies) and doesnt have ideal stats with the lack of strength but agility and stam are both nice stats to have especially when solo questing.

Plus this weapon has the added bonus of being able to take you from 65-70 which allows you to put a cheap enchant on it as well as not having to bother about weapon skills until you hit the 350 cap.

As soon as both my warrior and pally dinged 65 i begged guildies to run me through sethikk and then didnt have to worry about a weapon upgrade until 70 :)

Comentado por 167136

Your math is (mostly) correct and your post is wonderfully organized, but don't forget that hunters get +2AP from AGI, so your stats of:

Quill = 1.4% crit, 54ap
HFH = .68% crit, 118 ap, 1.2% hit

Should actually look like this for hunters:

Quill = 1.4% crit, 108ap, 330 hit points
HFH = .68% crit, 144 ap, 1.2% hit

Typically, a hunter will always appreciate high agility over higher AP because of the double bonus it offers (double AP and +crit).

However, comparing TQ to HFH isn't apples to apples for several reasons:

1) HFH is a pretty major rep reward item that comes with a hefty price tag.

2) HFH has notably higher maximum damage, enough to put it in a class of its own. When offered the two for free, a large percentage of hunters will select HFH simply for this attribute alone (both of our melee abilities are based on weapon damage).

3) The requirement difference. TQ is available at level 66 (I may be wrong), whereas HFH only comes endgame. If you really feel like grinding out rep in that hellhole of a peninsula, HFH is quickly eclipsed by a number of Dungeon or Arena face melters (this goes for any class). It's so quickly replaced, it's almost not worth grinding it out and then paying for it for a measly 36AP difference (in the event you're trying to replace TQ). This doesn't make TQ BETTER, per sé, it just shows the two weapons serve a different purpose. One is clearly a leveling weapon, one is an underpowered endgame vendor polearm.

4) TQ is a stamina weapon. HFH is ALL damage. A survival hunter will certainly appreciate the 330HP and nearly 1% crit difference of TQ. You mentioned it benefits Burst Damage hunters with GftT; but don't forget, for every bit of Stam we get, our pet gets some too. That makes TQ appeal to BM and MM hunters (for very different reasons) well over HFH.

Again, all of this is all completely different for the likes of warriors and paladins, etc; but I thought I'd toss in my 1.5 cents about how this weapon relates to hunters.

Comentado por Allakhazam

THIS IS A HUNTERS WEAP now STFU

Comentado por Allakhazam

ps, this thing would would prolly be the best hunter weapon in the whole game if it had about 20 AP to it, AT LEAST

Comentado por Allakhazam

Nice hunter reward and it looks funky.

As for warriors I wouldn't use it, too slow for fury and too fast for arms. Agility will give a small critical strike bonus.

In other wards its piss poor for a warrior. Crystal forged war axe has more attack power, crit chance and stamina. It's also BoE and available in the AH for not alot of gold.

Pally? Well there are far superior and as easy to attain weapons for them.

Comentado por Allakhazam

What's the best enchant on this for a Beast Master?

Comentado por Allakhazam

I definetly agree. This is a hunters weapon. If the got the new enchant Savagery which gives +70 AP that would definetly help out a bit XD. Warriors might like the crit chance also.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Whats the best enchant for this, Savagary? I'm a Beast Master.

Comentado por Allakhazam

no way, i mean, warriors need dodge and defense...maybe for arms warrior, but as good as it would be for hunters...i mean i got Savagery on this on my hunter and my RAP no buffs xcept Aspect of the Hawk is at 1349 PLUS im beast mastery specc.....so theres no way this can be as much a warriors weapon as much as it is hunters

Comentado por Allakhazam

I got this quest at level 65, outside of Crypts but the quest actually takes place in Sethekk Halls. Isn't 65 a bit low for SH? I can probably get some 70 guildies to help me out but if not I don't want to get on the LFG channel and sit there, like the fat kid picked last for kickball, because folks think I'm too low to be useful (or worse an impediment).

Comentado por Allakhazam

i would take this over Honed Voidaxe any day on my hunter...but seeing my guy still needs one more lvl to go to Sethekk Halls {im lvl 67 atm}, i guys Honed Voidaxe is the way to go right now :P

Comentado por Allakhazam

This is def a hunter weapon.

For warriors Honed Voidaxe is superior in just about every aspect except the effort required to obtain it.

Comentado por Allakhazam

i am such a noob! i knew that there was a new enchant called Savagery, but i didnt know the effects XD how much would the mats cost on average?

Comentado por Allakhazam

when people are saying its a hunter's weap doesnt mean that its only for hunters and no one else can get it theyre just saying ITS GOOD FOR A HUNTER, A HUNTER WOULD GLADLY GET THIS.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I got this at at level 65 with my level 65 Pally (Retri). :P
My guild just invited me and in the group was 4 level 70's. I was really happy because i did the quest to get 'Terokk's Quill' and another quest to get 'Mark of the Ravenguard.'

Thanks. ^.^

Comentado por Allakhazam

i think that because of the crit bonus, stam, and high dps. make this as much a warrior'sweapon as a hunters. especially for pvping ms warriors.

Comentado por Allakhazam

It's a QUEST REWARD. Please quit the endless bickering over what class it's better suited for. Do the quest, and use it if you want to.

Comentado por Allakhazam

umm yeh 54 agility looks nice but that is only 54 AP for hunters, the 2h weps "of the bandit" have around +40AP and +20 Agility = around 60AP, better than this blue, the stamina is unmatched in a green tho.

Comentado por Allakhazam

no, ill bicker all i want, so u need to stop bickering 'bout us bickerers bickering!

Comentado por Allakhazam

I have this on my hunter with a +35 agi chant, and it's sick.

Comentado por Allakhazam

this polearm has less ap than the honed voidaxe and less stamina but 24 more agility and 10 more dps, would take it anytime over the axe as a warrior since the axe only has 3.40 speed and way less maxdmg.

Comentado por Allakhazam

What would the best enchay for this be, Savagary? I'm a Beast Master.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Did Blizzard make this for TBC before they changed the way agi worked for hunters, and then forgot to change the stats on this thing? heh.

Comentado por Thottbot

Just amazing for hunters.

Comentado por Thottbot

Interestingly, this weapon is not just good for hunters, but for any 2h dps class, for the simple reason of the very high DPS. Yes, by the time you're 70 you have many options for 90+ DPS, but with a good group you can get this a fair bit earlier. I got it at 66 earlier tonight, I'm a Retro paladin, and I find it neatly outclasses Hatebringer, which I had before.

You simply have to kill both bosses of the instance (and loot them), and pick up a book on the ground in the room before the second boss. Hard to miss. The quest is gotten right outside, and turned in there as well; doesn't get any simpler than this.

And no, it's not pink, that's the ambient light. It's an attractive weapon.

Comentado por Thottbot

It's a quest rewards. Warriors and hunters can both get it. No rolling is involved. It's great for both classes.

Comentado por Thottbot

and not a quest reward, i would seriously pass on this to a hunter. Sometimes you just have to take into consideration who its a bigger upgrade FOR.

But since its not a drop but a quest reward, all this hunter vs warrior arguing is completely @#$%^&ed.

Comentado por Thottbot

Definetly a priest weapon

Comentado por Thottbot

Okay. As an Arms Warrior, I look at this polearm. And, do you know what I say? I say, "Meh." Do I say, "This sucks" ? No. I say, "Meh." Because, I know I can get better gear than that. I know there are those of you out there that have the gold to waste putting on the expensive top end enchants, but if you can do that, why not just be a blacksmith, and do all those, and get the crafted weapon? For me, who is poor, I still say, "Meh," because I want something better, something more like this, this, this, hell I'll even take this, despite it giving resilience. I like my top end. Top end makes me happy. I like my Strength, my Stam, and my Crit Rating. Agility's swell and dandy, don't get me wrong! But, there's just so much out there for Warriors, it's almost laughable that people would argue. Besides, who gives a crap? It's a reward. If you're a Warrior, and wanna take the spellbook reward, you CAN. Who the hell is going to stop you? Is a GM gonna show up, ban your account, and delete all your characters? No. It's a nice polearm. Hunters deserve it. More than any other class, which is my personal belief. Will I take it? Yes! Will I use it? Most likely! I need to up my Polearm stat, as it is! Will it be my main weapon? Uh.... no. No it won't. Because it's nice, but not THAT nice. Take a broader look at the items that you can get. Once you see that there are better items than this? You can stop &*!@#ing about who gets it, and start PLAYING the game.

Comentado por Thottbot

haha, some 70 NE Hunter (also wearing this weapon) followed me around in shatt and kept using /laugh when I was wearing it as a 68 warrior. She's stupid; even though it has hunter stats it still slightly beats Honed Voidaxe (loses ~4 minimum damage but gains ~10 maximum damage and DPS).

I replaced it a whopping 100k experience later with Crystalforged War Axe anyway...

Comentado por Thottbot

Okay i have been lookin' over the comments and i must say. I play both warrior and hunter (Both are lvl 70). And i laugh at all the warriors crying that is a Warrior weapon and hunters shouldnt use it coz they dont melee etc.

My Verdict :

Hunter - Hunters should use this despite the fact they dont melee the stats on it help the ranged DPS. Thus it being an okay hunter weapon. We never claim to use it for melee and even if we do it helps out. Like i said.. stats is what counts most on it.

The agi helps out for the range dps and the stam gives them a bit more HP.

Warrior - A warrior should be using this as a last resort. Honestly yeah stats are good and but as a warrior i also want some Strength in my gear.

All n all this is perfectly good for either Hunter or Warrior.

End of the day, its a quest item not a rolled item so Warriors who are QQ'ing about it. Get the heck over it and move on its not ganna affect your game play now is it.

Comentado por Thottbot

Insane.

Comentado por Thottbot

If you are a warrior or paladin, and use two-hand weapons, make sure to get this at level 65. Basically, there's nothing else comparable at that level. This is a "Level 115" item, which is the highest level "blue" item in the game, which many of the level 70 instance bosses drop (the rest drop level 112 items, which aren't quite as good).

93.3 is the highest dps you can get before epics. People say "hunter stats," but as a warrior or paladin, with all this Agi, you'll be getting a lot of crit and dodge. You can never really have too much Agi, and at level 65 and following, 93.3 just can't be beat. Warriors and paladins may not get the extra attack power that hunters get from Agi, but they make a lot more use out of the extra armor and dodge since they don't have a pet tanking for them.

Comentado por Thottbot

agi is actually decent for a pally, and in this case it beats the *!@# out of most weapons with flat crit which is what the standard ret wep looks like. sure the other stats on the higher level weapons are better but getting this on 66/67 does not only give you the superb top end damage but also close to 4 crit from wep alone.. that is a &*!@load.
still, i have to admit ret dps needs good 70 gear to start looking like something.. but this is a nice leveling thing, and it beats going sword n board in prot, let alone holy

Comentado por Thottbot

Why people are still complaining about this, I don't know.

It's NOT a rolled for item, people, it's a quest reward. Who the hell cares who uses it, it does not do anything to YOUR game if another class uses it.

Hunters: slap a +15 Agil enchant on this and it's a lovely weapon until you find a replacement epic.

Comentado por Thottbot

Er... +35 agi. comatose...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Comentado por Thottbot

ZOMG!1 HUNTAR WEPPON

Comentado por Thottbot

dude if you are a hunter then strength is totally useless and this weapon is much better...if you are not a hunter then you are correct in ur saying

Comentado por Thottbot

Just a thought, maybe a solution to the whole debate.

If you like it, use it.

If you do not like it, vendor or disenchant it.

There... wasn't that easy?

Comentado por Thottbot

Being that all the time I've played wow, I've only recently managed to level a hunter to lv70, I've been waiting till 70 to try and get this weapon.

I've leveled a shaman, paladin, druid and mage, and with the first 3, one thing I find (I always go dps on my classes) is it can sometimes be hard to find the right balance for these types of classes, when your thinking of the balance with shamans and paladins they need intellect, strength, crit chance and other stats.

But with a hunter, hunters have the easiest means to increasing their performance with the least amount of trouble, basicly agility, crit chance and stamina, and since agility already gives to crit chance, most armor and weapons would focus on AP and Agility.

So it seems like this weapon was made with hunters in mind, as it doesn't present any other stats to be of much use to warriors or paladins.

Comentado por Thottbot

To sum everything up
You want it? Do the quest and choose this as your reward

You don't want it? Choose another reward or don't do the quest

/presses easy button

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