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Comentado por 14687

The only reason people like this helm is because of the color. Resilience rating is garbage to any tank, the defense rating is too low.

It has no additional stats like hit, dodge, parry or block, no agility or strength. just more armor.. considering +300 armor is like a fraction of a percentage of in mitigation to what you already have.

but hey it's epic amirite?

Comentado por 29261

Ok, a few disagreements here.

3 helmets have been thrown into the mix from the original discussion.

First off, i think we can all agree that this one is great, and that with 1300 armour, +47stam, +def and +resiliance with 3 sockets its a lovely helmet.

The point i was making was that not all servers have this yet, i know no-one on my own server has it sadly, and none of my friends servers do either. Apart from being EPIC it's also very rare.

That leaves us with Felsteel Helm and the Greathelm of the Unbreakable. This is an argument that's been done to death >>> https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=27520#M0z <<<

Here's the comparison though, that maybe i'm getting wrong:

If we put 3 * +12 stams into both this and the felsteel helmet, then we're looking at +83 stam vs. 63 stam. though we lose the "socket bonus" on each.

Now if we assume that *most* people attempt to keep socket bonuses (hell, it's a free stat), how would that play out? +12 stam on Blue Gem, +4 def +6 stam on yellow, and +4 str +6 stam.

Helm of the Stalwart Defender
1300 Armor
+8 Str
+71 Stamina
+27 Defence

Felsteel Helm
1206 Armor
+4 Str
+57 Stam
+4 hit
+33 Defence

Now, once Defence gets to 490 (or above) resiliance becomes neglegant in PvE. so as a stat it's useless (which is why i've not included it). Clearly this is a lovely helmet, and once Gem'd up it's a good upgrade to the Felsteel, but given the odd mix of Gems i dont think it's a *must have* item for every MT and OT once it becomes availible on your server. Infact, if it wasn't for the unbelievably cheap mats (for something of this quality), I wouldn't be that fussed about getting one.

That aside, what this helmet DOES offer, that i dont think many people have picked up on, is that it's AMAZINGLY versatile for PvE and PvP once you've replaced it with something specifically for tanking.

If you ignore the +def, you'd swear it was good for PvP or outdoor PvE, with all 3 gem colours giving Damage options, not just aimed at a pureply +stam based playstyle; coupled with the resiliance.

As an arms warrior, or even a prot hybrid warrior who does BGs or outdoor PvP then this could be a very versatile choice.

Comentado por 6202

Currently buffed on the 2.1 PTR with an add'l 66 armor...

Comentado por 38585

A Tankadin should go for Oathkeeper's Helm https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=23536

Comentado por 73848

why does this helm look so bad?

ive had this helm pretty much ever since i hit 70, and every time I run instances or raids everyone makes fun of my "gay" helmet and my tiny shoulder armour (being an orc but thats another rant in itself)
no doubt that its a great helm, the best probably pre-gruul, but what was blizzard thinking when then drew up the graphics? it confirms my belief that blizzard hates prot warriors, this helm, combined with the Coldarra shield makes me look like a...ergh...pally

Comentado por 53093

Just Faceguard of Determination is better then Helm of the Stalwart Defender pre kara ofc .... I can craft it on speanbreaker server Horde side ;-)

Comentado por 97638

Let's make a bill since this helm is pretty easy to craft as miner/blacksmith (you should have the & the yet)...

8
= 80
= 160
= 160G (20 go for at least 20G on my serv atm... You should have them from mining through Outland or by leveling...)
22
= 220
= 65G (20 go for a small 60G, 1 for 4G on my serv atm.. You should have them from mining through Outland or by leveling...)
12
= 120
= 300G (1 goes for +-25G, but these are extremely easy to farm!!!)
1
= 50G up to 80G, realmprice... but count the fee up, which makes this a total of +-100G.

If you BUY everything at these prices you'll get a total bill of 625G.

At which this helm WON'T sell. If you buy all and only farm the you'll get a bill of 325G by which you can make some profit!! And the isn't hard to get either, so this helm can be very cheap for a miner ... And even cheaper for a blacksmith!!

Comentado por Warrok

I got the recipe yesterday and crafted the helm which replaces my previous Felsteel Helm. I socketed it with 3 Solid Stars and it gives me a decent boost in stamina and armor. I lose some defense, but since I still sit way over 500 I can live with that. The socket bonus is neglectable as a warrior.

Comentado por 48410

quick comparison vs. Eternium Greathelm

Eternium Greathelm
Binds when picked up
Head Plate
1178 Armor
+31 Strength
+48 Stamina
Red Socket
Yellow Socket
Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Dodge Rating
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases defense rating by 34 (14.37 @ L70).

Helm of the Stalwart Defender
Binds when equipped
Head Plate
1366 Armor
+47 Stamina
Red Socket
Yellow Socket
Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Strength
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases defense rating by 23 (9.72 @ L70).
Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 23 (0.58% @ L70).

Helm of Stalwart Defender vs. Eternium
Armor: +188
Stam: -1
Str: -31
Def: -11
Resil: +23
same gem stots

Comentado por 142000

At 2.4, nethers are BOE and the cost of this item is under 500g, if you have the gold it is a easy item to get and it not bad for tank or even some pvp to start. Is it a GREAT item? No, but it is a hell of a up from most greens and blues and likely worth the 500g if you have it to spare.

Comentado por 123750

this helm is good if you are starting to tank kara. with primal nethers no longer BOP you can have other people craft this for you. I did some searching aroung the AH for awhile and found all the mats to be around 450g ( im from misha) if you look around for the cheepst stuff. overall for the price paid and the stats you get from this, i would have to say its a great helm. (the looks still suck!!)

Comentado por Allakhazam

so ya check this out - http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Elune&n=Lum
anyone know how he got 3 solid star of elune in there

Edited, Mar 11th 2007 7:39pm by Eetabeetay

Comentado por Allakhazam

Oh, and I can craft on Horde side of Dragonblight. Mats + 150g, whenever I have a spare Nether. :P

Comentado por Allakhazam

1300 Armor....

I have it on Winrunner (H)..Gorestain can make...

So ugly I won't even take a screenshot, nice on the inside, ugly on the outside.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Frostwhisper Alliance - Traitor can craft this

Comentado por Allakhazam

Saccins (alliance) on Runetotem can craft this look me up.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Ondskab on Outland on the horde side can make this item. Just contact him ingame or contact me Glubex 70 priest, and I will also make it for you.

Comentado por Allakhazam

You can put any kind of gem in a gem slot, you just wont get the socket bonus.

Comentado por Allakhazam

contact Spihard on <the forgotten coast> (us) if u want one crafted :)

Comentado por Allakhazam

Looking for someone to craft this on Khaz Modan (Alliance Side). Please contact Jamestwilley.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Looking for someone on the Gnomer server alliance side that can make this. Will pay for nether plus tips well. My mats ofcourse. If you can craft it please send an ingame mail to Radigast.

Thanks

Comentado por Allakhazam

damn... have 2 crafters... and they dont have primal nether :(((
Drakthul EU-- WTB craft /w Spazik

Comentado por Allakhazam

given that a druid with pvp spec in green gear from AH can tank better than a full epic geared warrior, it's nowhere near worth those mats.

Comentado por Allakhazam

On http://www.realmhistory.net you can view who can craft this on your realm or add yourself as a crafter

Comentado por Allakhazam

I can craft this on ARTHAS alliance side PST to Geunit for info

Comentado por Allakhazam

Pst Karresh on Lightbringer(Alliance) if you have the nether. I have the rest.

Edited, Jun 12th 2007 10:26am by Orkenman

Comentado por Allakhazam

Yes plz, someone in Gnomer realm alliance side who can make this, pst or send mail to Orodruin or Frerin, I can get mats and tip well for your nether.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Can i have 1 made on Sen'Jin horde? i have mats and is looking very hard for 1

Comentado por Allakhazam

Probably the best Tanking helm Pre-Raid instances.

Edited, Mar 18th 2007 5:19pm by Edrus

Comentado por Allakhazam

I can craft these on Sargeras - Alliance.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Can craft on Blackhand alliance. Pst or mail Bearfranklin.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Looking for someone to craft this on Shadowsong (horde side). Have all mats except primal nether of course. PST Beyu or Pary.

Comentado por Allakhazam

1250 armor on a helm... damn!

Comentado por Allakhazam

Send in-game mail or /w Thargon who can make this helmet on EU Dragonblight Alliance side.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Paladinhammy can make this on the Whisperwind Server, Alliance side. It dropped for me last night in Sethekk Halls. Feel free to contact me in game with a tell or mail if you're interested in having it crafted.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I meant pay for ur nether and tip well. lol

Comentado por Allakhazam

Si ce heaume vous intéresse, contactez Cartouche ou un membre de la guilde Echo sur "Les Sentinelles"

Comentado por Allakhazam

Can craft this on Thunderlord, Horde side. PST Vanaheim.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I can make this baby.

Server: Malorne
Side: Ally
Character: Darol

for the horde: we can prolly work something out with the neutral AH

Comentado por Allakhazam

Repost...

Edited, May 30th 2007 10:20am by Geunit

Comentado por Allakhazam

1366 armor... this one item has more armor than some Clothies have in total! :P fecking ugly, tho, but worth every copper. :P

Comentado por Allakhazam

Kerithor on Perenolde Server Alliance side can craft. send mail in game for info

Comentado por Allakhazam

A guildie brought the plans and after 2 days of math grinding we got it crafted for me =) The primal nether from a heroic slavepens run

Comentado por Allakhazam

Ambela, Hordeside on Cenarion Circle has the pattern, and will be crafting this in a day, just one skill point off. Your mats, and my nether for a small fee.

Comentado por Allakhazam

i can craft on bloodhoof horde side, your mats +150g nether fee

Comentado por Allakhazam

Just bought the pattern from AH.

At the time of posting I have 2 primal nethers left, PST to Magnitude for combine fees. My nether, your mats.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Neluzs on khadgar EU alliance side can make this just /w me or mail me ingame

Comentado por Allakhazam

Honestly Felsteel Helm with 3 +12 stam gems in them are really good.

1284 armor plate

27 stamina
+12 stamina
+12 stamina
+12 stamina

Increases defense rating by 33.

for a total of 63 stam.

But the felsteel helmet is pretty close.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Faction: Horde
Server: Spinebreaker
Character: Madduey

Comentado por Thottbot

The resilience is only useless if you make it useless. I've used it to bleed my defense into more avoidance, stamina and armor. So i'm under 490 Defense and still uncritable.

That being said the only resilience i have is through items good on their own merits without it, ie) this helm and the gladiator shield.

Have a friend who can craft on Shadow Council Alliance.

Comentado por Thottbot

At 490 defense u are immune to crits from any pve mob or boss in game. couse all mobs got a 5% crit chance against their own lvl, a raid boss counts as lvl 73. so resilence is 100% useless after u have 490 defense if u are tanking PVE. not pvp. a rogue with 30% crit will ofc still crit u, but netherspite won't.

You sayd: "and block doesn't stop crit, if u though so", kind of rude remark by u there, but i didn't mention that in my last post either. I was not discussing block.

Lots of love from obliv :)

PS: hope this cleared things up

Comentado por Thottbot

I have the helm myself. Easy to farm mats considering primal vendor (primal earth) is so cheap and motes drop out of pretty much every vein (im a 375 miner). The only hard mat to get is the primal mana. All in all it took me 2 or 3 days of farming to get helm. paid 200g for the nether though. But if you socket it right the helm is really nice. I used two +12 stam gems and a +4 def and +6 stam gem....77 stam just from the helm alone. the resilience is alright. but not great for tanking. but does reduce crit chance which is nice but still. But in my opinion if your trying to get a pre kara helm and it seems that no other pre kara helms will drop (like me...) then i suggest try and get this helm....

plus...it makes you look like Voltron :)

Comentado por Thottbot

490 defense is exactly 5.60% reduction. do some research before posting lol.

And there is no small chance, i've been raiding gruul's and kara and done all heroics. i had 0% crits versus my tank gear the last 35 days. so there is no "small chance".

But if any boss has a boosted crit chance(wich i've never seen or heard off, or tanked), then yes, then resilence is usefull after 490(against that boss).

But according to blizzard post on the wow-europe warrior forum, that does not exist :), but i guess ofc u know better... lol

lots off love from Obliv

Comentado por Thottbot

since blood craze and enrage will proc from mitigated/negated crits, wouldnt resilience still reduce the damage of a negated crit? havent really tested it out, but it would stand to reason that resilience is still usefull to have even if you break that magic defense number :)

Hellscream
Seclusion
Ally

Comentado por Thottbot

Looking for someone able to craft this. /w Tertal (horde) Earthen Ring EU.

Comentado por Thottbot

Looking for Crafter on Mannoroth (Alliance)

I feel that this helm is a major upgrade over Felsteel for a Paladin tank. The capability of adding 36 Stamina via gems to attain 83 Stamina does it for me. As a Paladin tank I must cope with my base stamina being significantly lower than a Warrior's, and getting to 490 Def is rather easy via quest rewards, other easily crafted items and regular Level 70, 5 Man instance drops.

In addition to the arguments above, working for maximum stamina increases the benefit of Ardent Defender, which on the Public Test Realm reads, "Now reduces damage taken by 6-30% when below 35% health."

8K health means that the damage reduction starts at 2800HP. Taking 2800 damage at 30% reduction = 3640 effective HP.

10K health means that the damage reduction starts at 3500HP. Taking 3500 damage at 30% reduction = 4550 effective HP.

12K health means the damage reduction starts at 4200HP. Taking 4200 damage at 30% reduction = 5460 effective HP.

These examples are purely theoretical, but they show that when Paladin tanks get to 35% HP their effective HP jumps, giving healers extra time to heal the tank to normal levels. Every point of healing done by potions, healers, and other effects while the pally stays under 35% is effectively increased by 30%. The only serious threat is being one-shotted for 5,000 damage when the Paladin is at 36% HP (Since you must be below 35% health to receive the damage reduction), creating even more reason to maximize Stamina after 490 defense.

The resilience is, as the previous posters argue, quite weak in PVE. In the end its close to having spirit on the damn thing. Despite this weakness I find that this helm is still one of the best pre-raiding Pally tanking helms.

Please feel free to post corrections if my math or logic is inaccurate in any way. Peace out Paladin Brothers and hit me up if you can craft this on Mannoroth. (The mats are in the bank!)

Comentado por Thottbot

I have this recipe for sale on Doomhammer, alliance side. Whisper Treefriend.

Comentado por Thottbot

It is true that you will not be crit on w/ 490+ Def. I cant remember the last time enraged popped while in my tank gear. Though it is pretty easy to obtain this, you cant neglect your other stats. Seriously, mobs and bosses will kill you with 490 Def. in about 3-4 hits for heroics&raid; dungions so mitigation is VERY important. I have around a 65% avoidance (block/dodge/parry)and me avoiding that dmg 65% of the time really cuts down on healing required, true it doesnt do anything against magic..but thats a whole different realm of tank gear. Your Block rating/Block Value is very important. Blizzard just reduced the parry rating for 1% parry chance to something like 19-24 rating (cant remember), and parry is very handy because the very "unknown" stat about parry is that it lowers the time till your next auto attack by 50%, and mitigates 100% dmg. Dodge is great and mitigates 100% dmg, but there is no rage generation added to it. When building tank gear, its not so much being a meathead AC/DEF/HP tank, that doesnt fly anymore, you must have more well rounded stats to do it right.

Comentado por Thottbot

Im selling the helm on the Feathermoon server, Alliance.

Just whisper Cerebres, or my alt, Velaranus, and I'll be glad to sell it to you.

I sell it for 900g bid, and 1000g buyout on the AH, but I will negotiate the price if it has to come down to that.

~Cerebres~

Comentado por Thottbot

I got this since yesterday, I love the stats but I HATE THE LOOKS plz blizz make this helm look nicer, <.<

Comentado por Thottbot

what would you say is better for a tanking warrior? This helm or
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32083/viseira-da-determinação ? i wanna kno before i start saving up badges for the other

Comentado por Thottbot

id say the other one, if you add a meta socket with +18 stam and 5% stun resist + a 12 stam blue socket you can get the same number of stam with the 6 stam bonus then the other sheild (without calculating the stam bonus alredy there on both helms) + the other bonus of the faceguard are better then the epic helm bonus

Comentado por Thottbot

e helm sry, not sheild

Comentado por Thottbot

Looking for a crafter on Bleeding Hollow (US) Alliance Side.

Manduine 70 Warrior

Comentado por Thottbot

LF crafter on blades edge server contact randoir

Comentado por Thottbot

Need a crafter on the Shattered Hand server! Pst me in-game, i have mats. name = Chassiah.

Comentado por Thottbot

this is very odd 1st i get storm helm recipe as my warrior then my hunter goes around an gets the stalwart recipe the nxt day lol lucky me 2 epics an my warrior is only 5 points away from makin them...............scratch that she can make them now jst missin the nether im only 30 defense points away from bein able 2 tank heroics...... as soon as i can get a nether pst to lucitha alliance side of US the venture co if u want a storm helm or helm of the stalwart

Comentado por Thottbot

Crafting this on Bleeding Hollow (US) Alliance
PST Manduine if you have mats.

Comentado por Thottbot

Can anyone make this on Laughing Skull? Alliance Side?

I have mats... and will pay for the nether.

Comentado por Thottbot

My name is Grahsrage... pst

Comentado por Thottbot

Can anyone make this on Stormscale Horde. Have the mats but the only guy I know of that can make it won't answer my tells. Please I've been trying to get this for a while!

Comentado por Thottbot

Not great unless you have a lot of money to spend on gems. Three Thick Lionseye would give you 70 def rating and 43 stamina with the KoT rune. That's pretty good, but you could also do the same with a Felsteel helm and get 80 def rating and 27 stamina, trading 160 hp for 10 def rating is a pretty good deal in my opinion, because once you hit 490 you can focus on getting that 12k hp you need for kara. If you traded out 1 lionseye gem for 1 Solid star of elune you would end up with the same def rating, and only a 4 stamina difference, Thats a lot of money to blow on 4 stamina and 82 armor.

Comentado por Thottbot

Try your luck here:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/child-forum.html?forumId=11119&sid;=1

You'll have better results asking for someone in your realm.

Comentado por Thottbot

Helm of the Stalwart Defender
Binds when equipped
Head Plate
1366 Armor
+47 Stamina
Red Socket
Yellow Socket
Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Strength
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases defense rating by +23 (9.7)
Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 23 (0.6%).

Versus

Eternium Greathelm
Binds when picked up
Head Plate
1178 Armor
+31 Strength
+48 Stamina
Red Socket
Yellow Socket
Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Dodge Rating
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases defense rating by +34 (14.4)

Just wondering what to do... does the armor increase + resilience rating of this helmet make it better than the eternium greathelm from kara?...

Defensive rating + strength increase are also quite important, but since im already at 515 def rating now I guess I can invest a little in other stats....

Comentado por Thottbot

Defense is important even after 490.Maybe I'm wrong but defense stats(parry/dodge/block)are still increasing as u add defense items,at least on my warrior , considering you're neglecting the stamina ofc.

Comentado por Thottbot

I can craft that too . Nether = 150g .

Name : Barwnos
Server : Genjuros
Alliance

Comentado por Thottbot

common guys seriously...no one has commented on how ugly this helm looks, propably the ugliest purple helm in the game, does'nt go with anything too!If i had this helm i would have it on hidden permanently.Looks twice as bad on humans too.
yeah had to be said, flame away , but i just had to log in to say that .Definately on my list of some of the worst looking armor pieces in the game

Comentado por Thottbot

Just got this helm made for me today, and while it is a good helm it looks absolutely HORRIBLE, the guy above me has no reason to be flamed, its horrible, but the stats help, Im just hoping i dont go into kara and get the Eternium Greathelm the first time i go, i mean i would be happy to get it but i just spent a few hundred gold on this... Good helm, bad looks, GL to u's who want

Comentado por Thottbot

good for resist gear , since bosses can crit u , with resilence u can have resist greens/blues without spending to many money.

Comentado por Thottbot

I can make this for anyone looking on Shattered Hand (alliance), PST Mikeextreme or Firestarterr. Price varies depending on what mats you have. Around 1000g for my mats.

Comentado por Thottbot

LF somone to craft this on Runetotem Horde. Msg me plz Blackdakon

Comentado por Thottbot

Flamingdeath on agamaggan can create this (horde side)

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Nível do Item: 105
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1366 Armadura
+47 Vigor

Engaste vermelho
Engaste amarelo
Engaste azul
Bônus de Engaste: +4 Força

Durabilidade 100 / 100

Requer Nível 70
Equipado: Aumenta em 23 a taxa de defesa.
Equipado: Aumenta em 23 a taxa de resiliência.

Preço de Venda: 5 54 31

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