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Comentado por 7562

If you're looking for non set gear, this is your shoulder slot until Rime Covered drops for you off Gluth. These drop off the very first boss in BWL. They blow NW out of the water in terms of +dmg and even edge out FF. Throw the ZG enchant on these if you don't have easy access to Sapphiron's shoulder enchants and they really start to shine.

Comentado por 948

I own a set of these on my mage and I must say they are one of the best dps shoulder pieces in game pre-naxx. Only the Enigma shoulders rival them and they're a pve sidegrade at best. Much better than the Netherwind mantle!

Comentado por Thottbot

+spirit of +mana regen is good and all, but +healing is way more beneficial.

Well they both work the same way. With more +healing you can use lower ranks and need less mana. manaregen and spirit gives you mana to cast higher rank spells. Choose which one you want or can get. I prefer manaregen and spirit over +healing anytime.

These shoulders are THE highest + healing shoulders in the game.

Now, why +healing is better. I myself, can get over 500 to +healing. This equates to over 5k crits on greater heals, and 1800-1900 crits on flash heals. If you rotate your heals, this means less healing, but more for each heal. as the saying goes, it's not quantity but quality.

You are talking about knowing your class. If you are waiting for a tank to take 5000 damage so you can get in a max rank greater heal crit you are kinda living on the edge there m8. You can't start casting when he is allready at -5000. He might die, especially if you get interrupted. Or if you start eariler he might take less damage than you think and you will overheal. Interrupting the heal when he only has 4000 damage would be pretty risky so you will most likely not abort.

Now, we have priests on our server who go for the spirit or +mana regen. I have seen a priest with over +100 per 5 and MC gear, and have a crit greater heal for 2800, that's less than my regular greater heal. so he has to do almost 2 heals for my one.

You are talking total bull$%^& there. Get yout math and facts right. If they have a 2800 point crit then it's not max rank, as a rank 4 greater heal, heals for 2600-2900. That is without any talent or item bonuses. You have 500 +healing and think its so great? I'm currently a few parts away from my dream set. But I still have +400 healing and over 100mana/5sec. With +100 healing more, I would have a crit that is +150 more. Not a big difference. Your big differences you see against other epic geared priests are not coming from healing gear, it's coming from talent spec. With talents you get +25% more on greater heal, with good gear and a crit that makes a big difference. But with the same talent spec, the differences will not be that high.

As you see from my numbers, it's not hard to get high manaregen and healing at the same time. There are many good items with both, like: Rejuvenating Gem, Ring of Blackrock, Truefaith Vestments, Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas, Gloves of Prophecy, Girdle of Prophecy, Pants of Prophecy. Take three items of transendence for high +healing and the 15% mananregen while casting set bonus(30% with meditation). Then use some items with high manaregen but which don't have healing bonuses like Pendant of the Fallen Dragon, Shard of the Scale, Shimmering Geta etc. and you will get a very nice balanced set with high healing bonuses and insane manaregeneration. You can use lower rank spells and you will hardly run out of mana, even without organized healing rotation.

That said, these are nice shoulders. I bought them for low dkp, allmost base price. But I would never compete with mages or warlocks as they love +damage gear and I will eventually upgrade them to Pauldrons of Transcendence. Shame they dont look very special :( Some problem with truefaith vestments that look exactly like runecloth robe.

Comentado por Thottbot

A reminder that since Transcendence is really not that great for shadowpriests, and the mage and warlock set gear *is* for those classes, this would likely end up benefiting a shadowpriest more than most folks. Naturally, arguments can be made for almost anything, but folks should consider what other loot options are out there for various classes.

Comentado por Thottbot

Well, I say warlocks, mages and shadow priests should bid on it. Why? Warlocks and mages both need spell damage quite a bit, although shadow priests do as well. However, in 40 man raids, shadow priests will not be doing damage 100% of the time, as in certain situations they will need to heal. These are the best epic shoulders for any of those three classes, because of the large spell damage. Of course mages and warlocks want it, they like damage, and both felheart and arcanist shoulders have low amounts of damage. (9 and 14) However, how much damage do prophecy or transendance have? 0. What it all comes down to is who wants it most though, and who has the most DKP.

Comentado por Thottbot

I snagged one of these in BWL last night for my lock. 34 dmg plus a Zandalar chant of 18 is 52 dmg/healing on a shoulder item, which is just insane.

To answer something debated above, I support a guild having one or two shadow priests. They increase a warlock's damage, have Vampiric Embrace and a really strong shadow DoT, and can silence, slow, and stun trash. I love shadow priests.

Comentado por Thottbot

Pathetic how they look the same:

http://MyWarcraftSpace.com/collection-154

Comentado por Thottbot

maybe if i post and angry reply on thottbot, my guild will let me roll on these!

bottom line: this is caster gear. any caster would benefit. if your guild limits it to only certain casters, then that's tough luck for you.

Comentado por Thottbot

I have no problem with a shadow priest bidding for these, as long as the other mages/warlocks dont want it.

Comentado por Thottbot

Why these are so ugly for a t2 shoulder deal is beyond me. I wear ZG ones and people think that I have these.

Anyways best for Mage/Lock, decent for priest since ti does have higher +healing than their t1 and maybe even t2, but stat wise terrible for a priest who is raiding.

Remember your guilds locks/mages need very high DPS in order to take down bosses in NAxx

Comentado por Thottbot

these are awesome. just plain awesome.

Comentado por Thottbot

As the gear gets better the arguments for why your class should have priority become longer. What if you spent this time in the battleground or thinking about how you can improve your play while raiding instead?

Comentado por Allakhazam

Picked these up tonight of Razorgore, guild's first kill =D

Much better than Netherwind Mantle, and I'm probobly only going to get the five set NW anyway.

Funny thing, I traded in my Zandalar shoulders for BWL gear with the same graphic =P

Comentado por Allakhazam

Uber!

Comentado por Allakhazam

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload8/fiishyshoulders.JPG

looks like Mantle of doan.. have to be placeholder :l

Edited, Thu Jul 14 08:58:57 2005

Comentado por Allakhazam

i got it today at 1st kill of razorgore. i'm really happy :D

Edited, Jul 13th 2006 at 5:44pm EDT by Ithilis

Comentado por Allakhazam

i got them =)

best mage pvp shoulder in game? (expect grand marshal something shoulders)

posted a picture of these ugly shoulders too.
it even looks ugly on my cute gnome mage =)

Comentado por Allakhazam

14 kills, zero drops. we have so incredibly bad luck with casterloot drops compared to any other class it's really painful.

blizz probably makes better graphics for the shoulders, but not before 2008. there's so much stuff in MC even that looks like utter crap. it'll take almost forever for bwl stuff improvements.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Got these some days ago .. they are kickass but looks kinda crappy -.-

Comentado por Allakhazam

These were truly spectacular shoulders at 60, especially because they were of raz, a relatively easy boss. They are decent shoulders to wear for leveling in TBC, too.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Got this tonight, but damn, it looks soooo nuubish and crappy.... seems blizzard only cares about weapon skins 8(

Comentado por Allakhazam

`lol looks exactly like black mageweave shoulders=D they better be a placeholder or els I kill blizz

Comentado por Allakhazam

I have these and I would wear them over Netherwind. To my friend and I misc. spell damage epics would be better than a 10% chance to do more damage. Plus these with the ZG shoulder enchant are amazing.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Mine fit very well :)

Comentado por Allakhazam

I sure hope this is a placeholder graphic, it looks so dumb :/

Comentado por Allakhazam

exact same thing as black mageweave shoulders.... :\

Comentado por Allakhazam

They REALLY need new armor graphics. They recycle the same things over and over.

Comentado por Allakhazam

After 3 months of Razorgore these finally dropped for the first time, and I won them! Then right after, guild did a ZG run, and I hit exalted with Zandalar and put the +18dmg enchant on them. +52 spell damage on shoulders ROCKS!

I think it was an evil (and by evil I mean awesome) priest who made me pay so much (119dkp), but he has like 350, so I think he was being nice. =)

Aspiring non-NW mages should go for these shoulders. There's just nothing better out there.

Comentado por Allakhazam

/cry

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Please tell me its a placeholder...

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