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Comentado por 3118

In terms of tanking, this is the best shield available at the blue level. In terms of FR on a shield, thise item is nearly impossible to replace.

You'll find yourself using this shield on Geddon, Rag, Ony, Vael, Firemaw, Double fire Chrommagus, etc. Keep it around.

Comentado por 5027

The above poster is correct. If you plan on tanking at all, you should get this shield. Paladins and warrios. Relatively speaking, it is not that hard to get and the armor and block values are incredibly nice, and the plus defense is obviously wonderful for warriors and even paladins (once 2.0 makes defense a valuable stat for tankadins).

But the real gem is the FR. If you plan on raiding MC or other raids where FR is important, this shield is nice because not only are the other stats amazing, but the FR is super nice too.

Comentado por 8132

If you are new to level 60 and dont have a good shield, get a good UBRS group and get this one. Combined with the Dal Rend Tribal Gaurdian, it is one of the best combos of sword and shield for new 60's.

Comentado por 8666

/agree Top shield for pre-MC tanks to tank MC

Comentado por 83140

Even tanks use this shield on Nefarion if they havnt gotten Elementium Reinforced Bulwark already.

Comentado por Thottbot

Smart, "Uther-like" Pallys are better served by the Sacred Protector from the Blightcaller quest. THOUGH, if they are tanking in MC/Ony (which NO pally should be), this would be better. Personally, I always pass on this disk to the warrior who is looking for it. Too many pallys outright ignore intel. Hello pallys, Blizz gives us boatloads of intel on the Lightforge/LB/Judgement sets because they want us to turn mana into health, for others and ourself. Nothing is dumber than Pallys who try to be rogues or warriors... we do have a class purpose... if you're trying to bust out of it, re-roll. So many lvl 60 pallys I see have less than 2700 mana unbuffed when a true 60 pally with full rare gear should be close to 4200.

Comentado por Thottbot

Which do you think is better? I am a lvl 60 Warrior and I have Draconian Deflector. Personally I like Draconian for raiding because of the +stamina and no AOE. The AOE is not the job of the Warrior and the effect also breaks poly and shackle near by. The Skullflame shield looks cool but in this match up I pick Draconian, the AC is only slightly lower and the block is the same.

Comentado por Thottbot

I am a offtank specced protpala and the deflector is the def. best shield to get because of the +15 def (which makes it read +0.5% to each of parry dogde and block).

I personally think that the protpala is the 2nd best tank class in the game, while a holy specced pal is only third best healing class after pri/dru.
In MC a protpala can very easily offtank a normal corehound (before Magma), a garr or sulf/domo add, while the retri/holy pala could not. With 2 protectadins and just 4 def specced warriors, the raid will be much more flexible, because:
- with heal equip every pal has about 5k base mana, making spam flash heals that much easier regardless of their spec
- every def specced warrior besides the 2 MTs has absolutely no function outside any boss with adds.

So with well played protectadins you catch 2 flies with one clap: You still have your bunch of spam healing and dispelling palas AND you have very capable offtanks without taking too many def specced warriors with you.

Our raid plays with 4 def warriors and me as the 5th offtank and i am serving this role very well (offtanking with 400 def equip if there is a need to, otherwise fulfilling the usual MC pala role with 5200 base mana equip), and i am allowed to spend DKP for MC loot that is otherwise reserved for warriors only (like this dark iron ring or the + def amulet).

All in all, the protection paladin is the best build for MC (not counting the 2 must have 31 retri pals) and there is no way a protector should not roll on this shield. Good thing i already have this and the protector :P

Comentado por Thottbot

Fabolous shield, easily the best tank shield in the game in my opinion, due to the extra 15 defense.

The +10 fire resistance makes this every warriors shield of choice for Molten Core.

http://www.fader.se/viewimage.php?img=WoWgallery/items/Draconian_Deflector.jpg

Comentado por Thottbot

People get way to worked up over this stuff. I was in a group and the sheild dropped. The war said i could roll since my current sheield was crap. I won. 2 min later some guy I don't know and who wasn't in the raid started to bug me about "What is a pally doing with this sheild?" Get a grip just because someone has an item doesn't mean he stole it.

Comentado por Thottbot

I've got a few good points about who should get this shield and why - and how....

1. Warriors SHOULD have priority becasue of the stam, def, armour, fire ress (MC mobs can get kinda annoying without).

2. Shamies and pallies should pass on this shield if there's a warrior in the group who needs it, otherwise i still think they shoudln't be running around with these (rattle cage buckeler from Scholo is far better fro those 2 classes).

3. This point goes back on Paladins tanking in UBRS and other high instances - dont - if u can get a warrior (and there are usauly a lot on each server), get one, if its a good tank u're in luck. If its a bad tank he'll still be better than a paladin. Most of the time at least.....

HOW to get this item -

1. if u're in a high lvl instance like UBRS, with a good chance of BOE blues, and some realy good BOPs, use Master loot! Several people have complained about it being ninjad or rolled on by the wrong class (in my opinion Shammies, and pallies) then no ninjaring can happen, Unless ofc the ninja is a shammie or pally.

2. Play with people you know,
At least 1/3 (but if u get 2/3++ thats even better, or just play with a lot of peaple who like and respect you) of the party should be guildies to support you if you are a warrior, they will make it clear to shammies and pallies that this is NOT for them.

3. A lot of warriors and paladins want valor.....
If you realy want to tank, i'd say get this above any other item in UBRS, it'll last a long time. So just tell them that you will pass on all valor, blackhand doomsaws (if u're a tank u dont need this BS anyway), but never ever mention that you will pass on dal'rends set if your main hand is worse ( i was realy desperate at the time so i'm not sure if i would have passed if it dropped). This is how i got my shield, i was masterlooter and promised the other warrior (cheers to lemartes here) that i will pass on all valor and blackhand doomsaws (as i said earlier, i'd have proly passed on dal'rends),as far as i remember he didnt get anything from that run, althoguht i'm not sure, shield drops. I'm masterlooter, I ask everyone kindly if its OK, they say yes (shammies are usualy friendly people who have learnt their place in my expierience), I dont know things like "paladins" that just sounds to me like a 10 year old thinking he is a knight in shiny armour, i'm horde anyway so no probs.
I GET SHIELD =)
Now this took a while to write and its pretty late at night so to any people with negative comments about me saying things twice, dont take the piss.

Tepok - LVL 60 troll warrior of Fist OF Fury, teranas server (GB)

Comentado por Thottbot

Last time I was there, a 59 Paladin rolled on it and won the roll. ML was a Warrior with the second place roll. So he took it. The Paladin of course accuses him of ninjaing it, but the Warrior was in the right. When's a Pally going to tank any raid boss? That's right, never. There are other ways you can get +10 FR, pretty damn lame to try and swipe a shield from a Warrior who will get 10x more use than you out of it.

Comentado por Thottbot

Damn good drop rate for what is the best non-epic shield in the game (even beats a fair few epics as well). Good MT gear for MC and pretty much anywhere else.

Paladins, please please don't outroll a warrior who needs this. You don't tank, therefore your needs are secondary. Same to you shamans.

Comentado por Thottbot

Putting aside the warrior vs pally thing for a moment, I would like to point out that I have a guild which thankfully plays the game with FUN as the main goal. We can admit that warriors are the best tanks, but that pallys can tank most mobs acceptably. I don't know about you, but for me, watching the same Luci - Domo takedowns with the same MTs using the same Quel Serrar became Molten Bore after a while. Our people got good gear. We decided we didn't need to make the paladins healbots all the time. And MC became much more fun. We didn't have any more wipes with the pally tanking Luci or Mag than we did with a warrior doing it. As a matter of fact, most of our wipes are caused by imps getting agrod when a lava surger launches someone toward them.

My guild took the approach that we would keep running things until those who want the gear get it. No favoritism for non class specific items. If halberd of smiting drops, pallys, warriors, and even hunters can roll on it. Why? Because we will run ZG until everyone who wants it, has it. People enjoy the game more when others don't push them around and let them have some uber epic loot. My guild doesn't tolerate warriors and pallys bickering over loot. People like that disappear from our organization. It's a game, and the ultimate purpose is to have fun. Fighting over loot that everyone can have, certainly isn't fun.

Comentado por Thottbot

Its so funny going back and reading comments from 2 years ago. Sigh. Warriors used to have the best agro gen. Now we have to work our butts off to hold agro!
Oh wells I still think warriors are hands down the best tanks :)
Artorious - 70 Prot warr

Comentado por Thottbot

just thought i would point this out but tanks aren't just warriors pallies and feral druids...

the other day i saw a boomkin tank gruul so shove that up your ass and smoke it

Comentado por Thottbot

I got this shield at Level 55, and I was so psyched to wear it.. I got to 58, put it on and headed to Outland.. I replaced it in the first quest.

:(

Comentado por Allakhazam

Did my first run through UBRS on Saturday and was the only warrior in the raid. Got this and BlackHand Doomsaw! Woohoo!

Am I glad I didn't go with my druid!

Edited, Mon Aug 1 10:43:41 2005

Comentado por Allakhazam

I've made like 15 runs for it, never seen it dropped! I've got the Chromatic Carapace, the Blackhnad Doomsaw, Valor spaulders, valor breastplate.. Little bit annoying..

Comentado por Allakhazam

dropped today:) my 30+ run:P seen it drop 3 times, lost one to a warrior and one to a pally;/ But today we had were 2 warriors and the other(greenie warrior) rolled on rend legs. epic paladins didn't need:) no more ubrs on me ever.. easy tanking sons of flame now xD

Comentado por Allakhazam

woohoo, i have everything i want out of UBRS
(carapiece, FR cloak, blackhand, LF chest, LF shoulders and this shield)
(this shield was the last thing), great, now on to MC/ZG :D

Denkoyugo -- 60 paladin -- aggramar eu

Edited, Tue Mar 7 07:05:01 2006

Comentado por Allakhazam

actually better than drillborer.. so it is the best shield you can get atm in the game as a Tank.

Comentado por Allakhazam

best shield for MC :D
first time we killed him it drops
beat a shammy for the roll (damned shammys)

Comentado por Allakhazam

Am I just getting like the best luck or something, it has dropped everytime that ive gone in, and ive done like 10 runs.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Hi guys Quick question, I have Escudo do Crânio Flamejante flame sheild and this one?
is the +10 defence really make this sheild better?
I dont care about the money, that is easly attainable.
Or is there a situational decision. I hope to hear from you soon as I want to equip the skull flame but am afraid I will be disapointed.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I have to say that this shield is pretty common...

Comentado por Allakhazam

dropped ONCE! i've done it probably 40 times, the one time it dropped a shaman in full earthfury took it because he "needed the fr" obviously not if he has full earthfury...i hate him to this day.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Got hit on my ~7th UBRS run. I went with my guild. A pala wanted it, because he hadn't got any other loot.

But he's a good guy, and accepted the fact that the first one of these should got to me as I'm the MT, and will make the most use out of it.

Cheers

Comentado por Allakhazam

Killed drakki 20 times always this dropped, im a paly and had sacred proctector, but no lightforge breastplate or shoulders off the beast -.- if you think thats too rare, then u never farmed for lightfore breastplate...

Comentado por Allakhazam

Run #48: 5th straight Tooth of Gnar necklace dropped.

/sigh

...The Quest Continues....

--snoopj

Comentado por Allakhazam

drop the shield ! my 59th run and............ still haven't seen it drop. I've now relegated myself to offering 500g into the guild bank for extensive guild farming :|

Comentado por Allakhazam

Lost this to a priest said he need money.

ME WARRIOR ME ANGRY

Da-Sha-voo-nerf?

Comentado por Allakhazam

18% Droprate your ass.
I've been running for this shiled for two months now. Haven't droped even once! 2-4 Runs a day.

Got 3 Valor breastplates now tho ... :S

Comentado por Allakhazam

runs # 25,26,27 and 28 today still no luck

Comentado por Allakhazam

IMO this is one of the bests rare shields you can get. I would rate it higher than some epic shields. I would prefer Blackhand Doomsaw than this and a good 1h sword/weapon.....imo....

Comentado por Allakhazam

This is the Bestest and most awesome of tanking shields in the game... atm... if you ask me. I would give precious body parts to have this.. And you would prefer a blackhand doomsaw?

Comentado por Allakhazam

Got the Valor chest on my second Drakkisath kill, and this shield on my fifth Drakkisath kill. Yay me.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Went in ubrs, second run, shield drops and two freakin shammys roll on it and one outroll me!
It's a tanking shield and im gonna spit on all shammies who wield it , tbh &*!@ szass!

Comentado por Allakhazam

Never been to UBRS, been between guilds but joined a new one Monday. 4 guildies were in a pug that killed the Beast and lost their tank. I got to the instance and got summoned in, cleared the rest, tanked the General and Lo and Behold! I made sure everyone was cool with me rolling, no one had any objections (other warrior was Fury build and the pally was a good friend I had given a Whitesoul helm I made to when he hit 55) Tossed a phat 89 and collected my shield. Pretty nice for 15 min worth of work. On top of that, I completed a quest to kill him and got my trinket. Go on, hate my good fortune, it doesn't happen too often.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Lost it 2 times for loladins -_- (+10 defense) that's saying anything to you?

Comentado por Allakhazam

HoracioW - i don't hate you, i envy you greatly :P

Nah nice luck on that run mate, we did a run last night and scored Hand of Edward the Odd, we all agreed to /roll since the only shaman in the group had already got his drop he wanted - what a legend!

Anyway, this damn shield hasn't dropped in over 10 runs for me, so another run tonight for me :P

Comentado por Allakhazam

Did my first UBRS run last week. Both the valor chest and the draconian deflector dropped. I got the chest and lost the roll on the shield.

Deathonastik (lvl60 warrior) Stormscale

Comentado por Allakhazam

i think its funny how warriors ask me to tank since everyone else is too lazy to help out and just dps with their two hand weapons. Anyways, i tank the whole instance, then once drakk has been downed, this shield drops. Ofcourse the other warriors claim they need, doubtful that they tank in other instances, i get pissed when im outrolled.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I did my first UBRS run yesterday and both the Valor Pauldrons and this imba shield dropped :D That's just so good :)

Comentado por Allakhazam

Went at lvl 57 to UBRS and we made it it do Drakki and got him killed and this beauty dropped. So damn happy, specially to get at this lvl.

Comentado por Allakhazam

18th run, still haven't seen the shield drop...

Comentado por Allakhazam

What's a good enchant for this shield?

Comentado por Allakhazam

I finally got it :) Took me 10 runs, I guess I was rather lucky.
Best pre-raid shield ingame imo.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Same run my fiance got this and the Chromatic Carapiece. It was his 40ish time in UBRS so I was happy for him ^_^

Comentado por Allakhazam

Been having hell of a luck these days here at upper Blackrock Spire. First, a run with three warriors, including me. Valor shoulderguards dropped. I didn't get them. The same run, the Valor breastplate dropped. The same warrior got it as well. I cried, until there were no tears left. A couple of runs later, the chromatic carapace dropped. Heck, I won it. I cried, tears of joy this time. The next time I came, I was one of two warriors, the Valor shoulderguards dropped. And I won. I couldn't believe it, I actually won them! Sheez. Killed Drakkisath, and the cursed Lightforge chestpiece dropped. No use to me, I have a more suitable one for a warrior. Well, at least got the shoulderguards. Next day, another run. Downed Drakkisath. This baby here dropped. I rolled 96 to find out noone else was rolling. I'm still weeping a bit. Hell, I think lady Fortuna is toying with me.

The chestpiece and the Blackblade of Shahram are still waiting there, for me...

Comentado por Allakhazam

Second time thru, the valor chest piece dropped and the shield. Other warrior got the valor piece, a pally rolled 76 on shield, and I rolled 80. : )

Comentado por Allakhazam

This Shield is great for anyone that can use it. Yes if you spend all your time doing instances and if as a Warrior you are equipment starved ( sounds like it from all these raging Warrior Hormone Posts ) then it is better for a Warrior to get it. But as a Paladin that PVP's all the time I rolled on this and won. It is a great sheild which makes me survive longer in pvp and therefore capable of healing more in PVP and instances.

Anyone who says 'you are a healer if your tank is doing thier job you wont be hit' has obviously never done MC or ZG. Often the mobs hit the whole raid group lol. And there are mobs that automatically switch aggro and drop aggro from your mt. So if you want to survive for that next heal/cleanse realize that there are many shields out there and this is not the only one for you. Every gear that is good for dps and 'tanking' should not automatically go to the warrior if other classes need it as well. Next thing you know they will say a +spell damage item is always better to give to the mage since they do the most dps? Or maybe all the +healing rings n necks etc shoudl go ONLY to priests? I mean if you hate pallies so much, I think you shoudl be the one re-rolling.

Also did I mention this is a COMMON drop? If it was a 4% Drop I could see the exclusivity, but since you are going to be killing this guy potentially many times just to get your Valor BP, then what's all the stress about? This sheild drops a lot, be a litle patient you get one easily.

Maybe Blizzard will make some more Warrior only gear that will help the dilemna of your class but until then I will roll on this stuff. If you are really in need ask the pally if you can have it, but please don't cry when he says 'sorry I need this'.

Ohh n Consloa, the only drawback to the Skullflame is the ae proc off it. If you have a mob/s near you that are sleeping/frozen/repented etc it could break that otherwise the Skullflame is only as good as your already existing Defence bonuses. I am not a main tank usually, but my understanding is that a goal of 100 to + defence is a good one for end game content. If you don't have that, and you plan on tanking MC, ZG etc then the Draconian is the shield for you! Going back to the Skullflame..awesome PVP shield since the ae is not as critical usually ,and more damage to your enemies is just good in pvp, and the extra shadow protection is a plus ( not to mention what a graphic!).

Have a nice day !

Pallies are Plate class people too

Edited, Thu Feb 16 09:26:44 2006

Comentado por Allakhazam

rofl you guys think that you have no luck, I've done like 50+ runs and I've never seen my valor chestpiece or the draconian deflector or the main hand rend or the blackhand doomsaw (mind you i don't need it) drop in any of those DAm runs... =(
and if any pally tries to steal my shield (buzz off) go get the blightcaller shield

Edited, Tue Sep 6 02:58:13 2005

Comentado por Allakhazam

After last run to UBRS I must say: thats pala shield:/
C'mon warriors, palas need that more than you ( I mean than 3 of you), so dont roll on that.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Kapusta how can you be so damm stupid saying this is a paladin shield? its the best MC tanking shield ever! its actually warriors that shall be needing this, not a damm paladin, paladins shall ahve SHIELD GIVING INTELLECT / spirit, learn that or delete your ugly paladin or whatever you have ,.... 0o

Edited, Wed Jan 25 17:24:05 2006

Comentado por Allakhazam

oooooohhhh draaaakkkiii whhhyy doo youuuu haaaate meee yooo drooop liiiiightforge eeeevaraaaa daaaaa but you wont dropaaaa your poxy shiiiildaaa ooooh whhy muuust my droprates be gaaaaaaay

sung to the tune of Sushine, My only sunshine lolz ;)

Comentado por Allakhazam

This and Quel'Serrar = THE BEST COMBO IN THE GAME... no arcanite reaper or blackhand doomsaw is better.

~~kthxby

Comentado por Allakhazam

Wanna get this one :p

Just run run run run run run... then it should be home :]

Comentado por Allakhazam

shield dropped last night, made an agreement with the other warrior in the raid (his first run in ubrs) that he gets all valor drops and i'll get the shield. Spaulders drop (i pass), Breatplate drops + shield, i pass on BP roll on shield. He rolls on both and wins both. Morale of the story is never trust a feckin hungarian.

Comentado por Allakhazam

60 warrior:

lost it twice to frigging pallys >_>

Comentado por Allakhazam

ok ive done 45 runs looking for this babay ive never seen it drp. Ive gotta nmy valor chestpiece on my 42nd run and today on my 45th run this defelctor drped. I was so happy i rolled a 53 the another warrior rolled a 13 another a 43 and life hit me hard..... the last warrior roled a 87 /cry. I dont think this wil ever drp. By the way does this deflector always drp with the lightforge breastplate thats what ive heard and seen today......

Comentado por Allakhazam

I have gone to UBRS literally 40 some times, and havn't seen that shield drop not once! wtf, am i doing something wrong? does Drakk hate me? did they nerf the drop rate!

Comentado por Allakhazam

I just went there yesterday. I had hoped for some valor drop and was all depressed when Rend only dropped eye of rend, and some &*!@ty leather thing.

Then this baby drops and i got it. Didn't even know that it was so good and rare before i just read this thread.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Gaah, i've farmed UBRS through the entire summer and fall, and i've only seen it drop ONCE! I think i'll give up on this shield and live in AV til i get The Immovable Object;(

Comentado por Allakhazam

Lost this to a shaman =/ That was of course on my 18th run, with a pickup group.

Moral: Do guild runs!

Comentado por Allakhazam

So when we start the party i'm there with 2 other warriors and i ask them if i could have the shield if it drops they both say ya sure fine with me.
Then at drakki after 1 wipe we kill him the shield drops and suddenly 1 of the other warriors also presses need for it and i lose the roll 8-\.
When you think you get the shield after like 20 runs and its oke with the 2 other warriors they also press need and you lose

Comentado por Allakhazam

After 19 freaking runs the shield finaly dropped the other warrior passed for me bcause he was only there for a quest item, and the only thing he was doing normaly was BG so finaly now i still need 5 brilliant chromatic scale's and the epix thing gyth droppes. Shame that it got ninjalooted yesterday by a rogue

Comentado por Allakhazam

still hasnt dropped :(

Comentado por Allakhazam

Got it first run, still yet to see any of the other nice melee drops, though.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I was doing UBRS and i had to argue with this shaman to not roll on it because he doesnt need +10 def... hes like i need the FR!... damn shamans!

Ive done around 10 runs and never seen it drop. or my valor chest.

Comentado por Allakhazam

i was bored after my 1st MC run. Got my teir 1 Epic chest. I go do UBRS really bad loot than on drak dis dropps. We have 2 warrios(1 one was me) also this was when it was 10 man and 2 palidans. A palidan rolls a 91 and than i roll a 97. He accuses me of hacking and stuff. But i WON. It's funny palidans cry about everthing. But im happy i won!

Comentado por KonigsTiger

This shield is the best piece of equipement that you can wear as a warrior tank in both MC and BRD.
The armor is high, gives defense, stamina and the much desired Fire resistance.
The only downside is that it gives no STR, thus no damage.
Definitely try to get it as a warrior if you're planning to tank.

Comentado por swdan

fantastic shield. but 1% drop chance is meh

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