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Comentado por Rafar

This looks as though it is for all casters rather then a specific class such as the Oblivion stuff (which is obviously Warlock). It is nice that they will have a few sets which will benifit multi classes.

Comentado por Carighan

The Dungeon3 sets work like this:
Hallowed Raiment is specifically for Priests, focused on healing.
Incanter's Regalia is specifically for Mages.
Oblivion Raiment is for Warlocks, granting the pet manaregen and boosting Seed.

This set, by contrast, is for all casters, and offensively geared, so better for Shadow Priests / Holy Nukers / Destrolocks, and possibly certain Mages.

Comentado por Stendetil

Yea, this set is very nice for all casters. However I myself being a Destro lock, don't forsee myself going for the Oblivion Raiment.

Seed of Corruption bonus is nice, but I'd rather have the +110 dmg. And the 45mp5 for my pet is garbage...If you are demo you don't need it since your pet has Mana Feed, Destro isn't pet reliant (except Succubus or Felhunter) And I'm not Aff, or a big fan of it for PvP so I am not sure as to how the set will be for them.

I just don't really see the 45mp5 being good for anything but Dark Pact locks. Good they finally get something nice though :P

Comentado por Tiforix

No, because of the set bonuses. Frost Mages pretty much never use either Flamestrike or Mana Shield, so the set bonuses on Incantors are useless to them.

Edit: sorry for the placement. I meant to respond to RattyX above.

Comentado por 18264

This set is very nice for almost any caster, for me being a fire mage, this set is perfect, i only dont uderstand the little resilience rating bonuses but the rest is just great, +crit + hit + spell penetration, is the package i need, lack of any is just noticable. But being in party with any other dps caster who wants it aswell is completly understandable. Frost mages tho dont need much spell p. AND hit because Frost bolt cant be partially resisted so id rather go for hit and spell power gear.

Comentado por Nilez

2 pieces of this is a must have for about every caster(35 hit is ***nice) you to choose wich slots you consider prior.

Comentado por perunaion

Moonkin's will definetly be going for this set. The Moonglade Raiment is too healer/feral oriented

Comentado por Xeephran

Does anyone have a proc rate on the 4-piece set bonus?

Comentado por 26260

Personal Opinions :

As a Mage, I only used Incanter's pieces as filler when I was gearing up

Mana-Etched Regalia > Incanter's Regalia
- Incanter's set bonuses are a joke

Aldor Regalia > Tirisfal Regalia
- I can manage without the extra 1.5% spell crit
- I use Shiffar's Nexus-Horn, it procs a lot for me

Comentado por 30620

Drops off of:
Aeonus - The Black Morass - Head
Omor the Unscarred - Hellfire Ramparts - Gloves (Heroic)
The Black Stalker - The Underbog - Pants (Heroic)
Epoch Hunter - Old Hillsbrad Foothills - Robe (Heroic)
Quagmirran - The Slave Pens - Shoulders (Heroic)

The drop % from heroic instances is very low because WoWhead mix the drop rate from heroic with normal drop rate

Comentado por 38984

The shoulders and the robes with proper rare gems and the 2 piece bonus are hot.

The Old hillsbrad(heroic) runs it will take to get you the robes may piss off your guildies but it's worth it !

42 int, 50 stam, 74 spell dmg, 35 hit, 53 crit, 5 penetration, 3 resilience.

Comentado por Villi

You forgot to mention that this set looks absolutely awesome ^^.

Comentado por 44382

The cool thing is the useful set bonus with 2 bits - coupled with Spellfire this is really attractive.

Also the Crown has a meta gem slot which allows things like the 5% spell cast improvement proc, or a +12 crit - very, very nice.

Comentado por 51867

Overall, I estimate this set to be better than the Incanter's set for mage damage output or pre-PvP. The set bonuses easily beat those of the incanters, and the stats are more damage-oriented, with slightly more crit and less dmg, but socket options to make both superior for the mana-etched set.

However, as far as straight damage the two are quite comparable, and for time periods where good mana regen is essential (escorts, endurance fights, or just plowing through an instance with minimal downtime) the incanter's is superior, so I would collect both sets.

To get a strong appraisal of the value of crit vs dmg, you need to examine your current dmg and determine what yields the biggest increase. 22 crit rating = 1% crit at lvl 70. 1% crit = 0.5% dmg increase (1% with spell power or shatter, 1.25% with both/0.9% with ignite, or 1.4% with both ignite and spell power). Let us assume you have a talent that doubles crit dmg (1% crit = 1% dmg increase). If your spell were to hit for 1000 dmg, 1% of which is 10, then 22 crit rating = 10 spell dmg (assuming a 100% spell dmg coefficient) as far as overall dmg output. Your spell would have to have >2200 base dmg before 1 crit = 1 spell dmg, and beyond 2200 crit exceeds spell dmg in terms of benefit per point. Almost no one has an average base damage per case of 2200, with a 2x, rather than 1.5x multiplier for crits. And for PvP, crit becomes even less beneficial due to Resilience.

Comentado por 79201

Same graphics as Hallowed Raiment!

Comentado por Kaki

Lets compare to the Incanter set if mage:

Mana-Etched - Incanters
armor: both 633
Stamina: 27 more than Incanters
Intellect: 9 less than Incanters
Spirit: 84 less than Incanters
+spelldmg/healing: 13 less than Incanters
+ spell crit: 11 more than Incanters
+spell Penetration: 33 more than Incanters.
Meta Gems: both 1
Blue Gems: 1 more than Incanters
Red Gems: 2 more than Incanters
Yellow Gems: 1 less than Incanters

Gems can turn these sets upside down, so I think theyre both good but I would prefer Mana-Etched for my mage.
But as mage, it will get tougher to fill up your mana pool with this set rather than Incanters, 84 spirit is a fair amount

(beware! I might have counted wrong :D )

Comentado por Samsara

Does anyone now why you would want ~10 resiliance (socket bonuses) on a PVE Set?

Comentado por Jubro

At best, I'd say it's to help with those encounters where a DPS class is called to tank from range (like Omor in Ramparts, for example). Other than that, it's pretty useless.

Comentado por barbeque

The 2-piece set bonus on this is something that many people overlook. Gear that comes with +spell hit rating is hard to come by by the time you have completed Karazhan. While each of the items are individually weaker than epics you will farm easily in 10-mans, the free +35 spell hit rating is hard to replace easily without sacrificing a lot of other gem slots.

If you are gearing up for 10-man raids, 2 pieces of these will be invaluable.

Comentado por 91061

So, why resilience for the gem bonus?

Comentado por 24122

i'm gonna grab this for kara, with the spell hit set bonus and the red(for some orange gems) and yellow gems you can jam this with spell hit for the 16% hit cap, (or 10% 6% 13% whatever you need) and you can add in a bit of stam( green or purple gem and get some dmg) with all of its sockets its a very versitile set

Comentado por Thottbot

My ("been a while" L70 pve frost mage) 327 and a half cents on this:

As a pve frost mage I say: Incanter's Regalia is out of the question, so I'm left with this one. Single gear pieces might be in par or even better, but I like sets...

Incanter's Regalia

-0.25 seconds cast time to lamestrike. (2-piece bonus)
Chance to increase damage when your mana shield is hit. (4-piece bonus) - As a pve-frost mage I've yet to use mana shield.
Has some spirit, but using mages' new +3% crit armor spell instead of regen-in-combat one renders it mostly useless.
150 spell damage
0 spell penetration
64 spell crit rating
0 spell hit rating

VS

Mana-Etched Regalia:

141 spell damage
33 spell penetration
53 spell crit rating
35 spell hit rating (2-piece bonus)
Awesome 4-piece bonus
Some resilience from socketing, useless for a pve frostie (some 99% of the time...).

Calculated bonuses from socketing, but naturally not from gems you can insert.
This set will be fun to gather too (instances it takes me to), and is something I can wear when guild starts raiding (and hitting >70, possibly resistant targets).

Good thing about the new sets is that four pieces grant you the bonus, leaving rest of the gear customisable along with gems further aiding you in reaching stats of your choice. Arcane mages could very well decide to go for Incanter's Regalia and get the missing penetration & hit from gems and/or other gear slots.

EDIT:
since my post is this high up (and probably tons of "huntar itam olol i r tottbutt" posts after sooner or later), I'll add drop locations of pieces here (thanks "Phyzore", found my first pieces with your list):

Head: (standard) Black Morass, Aeonus
Shoulders: (heroic) Slave Pens, Quagmirran
Chest: (heroic) Caverns of Time: Durnholde, Epoch Hunter
Leggings: (heroic) Underbog, The Black Stalker
Gloves: (heroic) Hellfire ramparts, Omor the Unscarred

Comentado por Thottbot

/agree

As a frost mage I would take this over the Incanters regalia any day. But as a casual gamer I'll be happy to pick any of the pieces that drop.

Comentado por Thottbot

The Oblivion set is a nice warlock set, but is mainly for affliction/demonology warlocks. This set is great for destruction locks, and is quite nice for affliction locks when the 4 piece bonus procs. I know that I'll be trying to grab both sets as seed of corruption is my only real chance to AE and the more damage I can pump when the time comes the better. I will try to get ths set as my main set though.

Comentado por Thottbot

this set has no +spirit while Incanter's Regalia has +84!

Comentado por Thottbot

Head: Aoenus in The black morass
Shoulder: Quagmirran in The slave pens (heroic)
Chest: dont know
Legs: The black stalker in The underbog (heroic)
hands: Omor the Unscarred in Hellfire ramparts (heroic)

Comentado por Thottbot

Seeing as shadow priests get no benefit from the level 70 dungeon set designed for priests, this would be really good for them and I look forward to getting it... But this one has a lot of stamina, more int or mana/5 would be nice IMO.

Comentado por Thottbot

If someone who has this whole set as a warlock would be so kind as to tell us how many times the +spell dmg will proc from all the dots we are throwing at everyone...

Because I'm really liking the +110 spell dmg every now and then out of nowhere.

I'm saying warlock set =P but that's just for the harmfull spell bit... cause we kinda have a lot of those, don't we? XD

~Lesdude

Comentado por Thottbot

This set is the joker every caster class will love to have.
Just say, you only need 4 of 5 to get the bonus for this set or the other dungeon 3 sets, so dont like the gloves? pick another set ones ^^

Comentado por Thottbot

This set makes Incanter's look like a joke. Steep grinds to get, but whatever. The pants and gloves need to come home with me.

Comentado por Thottbot

I do not know wtf you all are talking about, the incanter's set was designed for pvp frost mage. The +100 damage procs constantly in pvp, and can proc while in iceblock, just as long as you have the mana shield active. Whether it be rank 1 or rank 7 (I prefer rank 7 because in pvp it comes in handy), it WILL proc. It is very useful for both fire and ice mages. Even so, I would still prefer this set over incanter's.

Comentado por Thottbot

Not sure where blizzard was going with incanters vs this set.

Stat wise, Mana-etched seeems to be pvp and grinding, while Incanters seems to be Pve instance. The strait int and stam of Mana-Etched is great for PvP and grinding, While the 84 spirit in Incanters, along with magic armor, will add up to a lot of mana regeneration for those long boss fights.

But the equip bonuses say the oposite! the Incanters is pvp, with emphisis on +damage and crit, great for PvP, grinding, while Mana-etched has -tons- of spell hit and penetration, both of which are essential to raid boss DPS, and less +damage and crit.

Even the bonuses for incanter seem to be aimed at AoE grinding. I know I'd like a shorter flamestrike cast and mana shield/damage bonus prock when I'm grinding for Arcane tomes on the steps of the black temple.

All in all, I'll take Mana etched over Incanters, but they are both nice improvements over what I have now.

Comentado por Thottbot

This is nice for any caster, and unfortunatly some elemental shamans I know. Regardless, if anyone is after it, make the party aware beforehand so that no one is in tears at the end:) As for Tralmus above, I suggest you look at what is known as a damage+healing meter to truly gauge any shadow priest, not to mention the whole shield/dispell things that hunters and warlocks do so very little of.

Comentado por Thottbot

Judging from your attitude you've been outdone by a Shadow Priest in your day and your not alone. I hate to burst Your bubble but getting set pieces isn't about a class that deserves it at all since any well geared, schooled and specked player can potentially own any of the other classes in pvp. Priests like warlocks need +hit gear in order for MC to be effective in places like Shattered Halls where in the 7 pulls they can kill 3 NPC's b4 all is said and done. As Far as not being on the damage meters, Shadow Priest have more responsibility. Sadly shifting out to save the occasional mage or keep the tank with 4 mobs on him alive cost almost twice as much mana and forces the shadow priest to wand for the next few minutes till he can regen mana. Yes Boys and Girls a good Shadow Priest is a blessing and hard to find. As I see it we all pay to play and deserve respect. Some players suck and some rock but in a non dkp system we must rely on trust, attention span, skill and blues to get us to the final boss for our outdated loot table. If your bickering about blues the problem is much deeper. Find a good guild and do Karazhan, maybe. It's like your mom always told me: Learn2playwellwithothers...
I'm Kwil and that was my minute.

Comentado por Thottbot

id rather take a shadow priest than lock any day of the week in 5 man heroics. (im a mage) although it depends on the player and gear of course. shadow priests heal me and give me extra mana regen while helping me dps. and they can help heal when the paly cant keep the tank up for certain pulls.

i currently have got 3/5 of this set. unfortuanaly i am 17000/21000 revered with black morass, basically from getting my intire guild attuned for kara and the crown has never dropped. id love the 4 set bonus with the crown but it hasnt dropped for me after completeing bm over 20 times. ive luckily got the shoudlers gloves and robe from doing the other heroics and have done heroic underbog 2 times but the legs have not dropped. im curious as to how often the 4 set bonus procs because if it is badass id like to know and ill do heroic underbog or bm to get the legs or head if it procs alot.

Comentado por Thottbot

chest drops from last boss in heroic durnold (sp?) aka CoT1.

Comentado por Thottbot

where do you find this i have a mage on peronld so if you plz post it

Comentado por Thottbot

All this talk, and not a word about the proc. rate of the final set bonus. So if anyone has at least 4 pieces of this set, how often does the +110 spell dmg. proc?

Comentado por Thottbot

i want this set, but im wondering what the proc chance of the spell dmg thing is... that, with Shiffars Horn, Trinketed, AP, and 5 scorches on the target would bring a nice big Pyro/Fireball crit...

i have a couple pieces of Incanters for starting... but once i get these badboys, im socketing each one with 12 spell dmg gems and hit/int gems! WOOT

Comentado por Thottbot

If u look at Blizz' official site for armor sets, u can see that two classes has "access" to this set: priests and mages (not that druids or warlocks cant use it, but they have their own dungeon set they share with other classes). The bonuses inherent in the mana-etched set suggest a dps class (healers would get better healing from other sets), so destruction locks can also benefits from this set. The incanter set has its priest equal and its lock equal, that is sets that fit only one class properly. man-etched is a shared set, but ofc various classes may think it fits their class best, but intention is: it is a priest and mage set.
It is THE set if u are going to do the higher-end heroics and the raid instances, but as in any other combnation of sets, there is a measure of freedom.
One may wonder on the stamina bonuses and the resillience bonuses, but this set crits a great deal and u draw aggro more often than if u use other combos, and thus u have to take some hits and avoid crits, or u are wasted before the tank regains aggro.

Comentado por Thottbot

Balance druids also have a right to roll on this too.

Balance Druids have no DS3 set at all, The set that druid do get is for hybrid feral pvp gear just look at the armor bonuses for it.

Balance druids get the shaft till later in the game when they can get Badge, tier 4+ and Kara-Heroic gear.

I will be rolling on peices for sure with my Balance druid.

Comentado por Thottbot

I don't know if i'm just not lucky or what, but I have done Black Morass twice, heroic Underbog and Slave Pens twice, heroic Ramparts and Blood furnace once and I've yet to see a single piece of this set drop. It's a big disappointment, because I've been envying this set for a long time. Something should be done about the drop % for all of these items.

Comentado por Thottbot

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