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Comentado por 199400

Oh my...I must say this item's stats are amazing! Also rather weird seeing a weapon breaking the 200 dam barrier..

Comentado por Gargon

Drops from Malygos in the 10 man version of the Eye of Eternity (lv80+) raid in Borean Tundra.

Comentado por 182501

hooray finally a polearm that axe specced MS warriors can use!

Comentado por Satanico

one word, w-i-c-k-e-d!

Comentado por 147340

Perfect upgrade to "Legacy"

Comentado por 176120

"Black ice", like the new AC/DC's album...rocking weapon for sure

Comentado por 175557

only weapon in-game with over 100 agi, the agi's worth 27 AP for expose weakness

Comentado por 207183

( So. i'll need the Betrayer of Humanity)

Comentado por Ophe

If only the haste was changed to more agility :(

Comentado por 121906

OMG! Just check this thing in the 3D view! It looks outworldly!
Simply amazing! Can't wait to rock this on my warrior!

BTW use Java, not flash...

Comentado por 213161

AC/DC

Comentado por 218119

I am not altogether sure here, but in the 3d item viewer it looks ridiculously huge on a Tuaren male.

Comentado por 255700

had a pala take this from me in my guild (im a hunter) when she had death's bite and i had the SW trash polearm, fun times

prolly the best 2h you can get as a hunter right now >.<

Comentado por 255777

this just dropped for me on 10 man(regular) malygos so it is not only from 25 man(heroic) eye of eternity

Comentado por 209527

I'd actually roll on this for my Blood DK. That top end would make Obliterates hit over 10k easy.

Comentado por 129327

i think this is more of a hunter weapon, but it could be useful to a ret pally, though it wouldnt give as much ap as some of the other weapons, it would give more crit, more haste, and more hit, which would add up to bigger burst damage, and burst damage is what 2h dps is all about.

Comentado por 180033

Long time Retadin here.

This isn't that amazing of a ret weapon. Nor is it incredibly outstanding for arms warriors or blood death knights.

You shouldn't take this weapon over a hunter who needs it, nuff said.

The only justifiable reason to take this weapon would be if it has better dps than your current weapon (because I highly doubt that it will have higher attack power), but you should always pass this to a hunter.

Comentado por 38414

This is actually a nice weapon for an Arms warrior. The reason being is poleaxe spec is the only way to go right now as Arms. It has nice crit, hit, and attack power, which are the bread and better for arms. The haste, not so much, but unless you can get the 2h from kel'thuzad this one of the next best things.

Comentado por d3nyd

This thing is absolutely massive. The only weapon I've ever seen this big is a High Warlord's Pigsticker (level 60 PvP item). If you see a Tauren with this, you won't miss it.

Comentado por darkkeijp

Took this weapon as DK tank. Shame it lacks strenght and has haste but other than that the agi and hit rating are quite nice. Will drop it whenever I can for inevitable defeat tho. But absolutly nothing justifies taking this over a hunter.

Comentado por Bahman

As a DK.. I would actually pass this one to a hunter.

Admageddon clearly > this one big time for DKs , let huntards get a weapon for themselves, please? ^^

Comentado por 94930

Point for point, Strenth is far better of a stat for DKs of any spec than Agi. Sure the stats are semi-logical for a DK or any class that can wield 2H Axes to roll on. If you think about it, with the stat changes Enh. Shaman get 1AP per 1AGI aswell. Though, the shaman would be far more better off in DW. All in all, Hunters should be the primary class to roll on this. Secondary classes would be Warrior,Pally,DKs,Shaman (no particular order).

On top of that, if it were to drop w/ 2 hunters in the raid. Point for point, stat for stat. Survival Hunters would prove the most beneficial. To the point where it even competes with KT 25man Betrayer of Humanity and Cryptfiend's Bite. (sorry dont have time to link, yer in wowhead anyways...look it up)

Comentado por 48928

I wanna see a DK make summon one of THESE babys with him.

Comentado por 90697

Listen up, feral druids!

Ghostcrawler (class designer) dropped a hint that we might get polearms.

Even though this wouldn't make an ideal dps item (there is a much better mace droping from Naxx 25-man), it still looks awesome and it might happen that nobody wants this weapon.

So, I would advise you to take the polearm in this case. It's just a chance but still.

Comentado por 278426

i gotta say... something like this IS what you call a hunter weapon....
pretty lame if a DK or Warrior would roll on this...
but its up to them if they wanna play around with their class...
just pretty stupid....

Comentado por 256236

I just picked this one up on my hunter on our first 10man maly down

Amazing ammount of AGI, this is one sexy wepon I must say.

Comentado por 52184

Duridz can train Polearms at 3.0.8, this could be a desirable cat weapon for its huge hit rating.

Roughly equivalent to 2082 old FAP, using the conversion FAP = ((DPS - 55) * 14)

Edit: Thanks to gilk

Comentado por purr

soon to be the best cat dps weapon for 10 man raids.

Comentado por 239749

One of the coolest looking weapons in the game currently IMO. Would also make an awesome looking staff (one can dream) D:

Comentado por 288953

Hello everyone. Just wondering is this the best weapon for my hunter at lvl 80? I dont want to waste my time trying to get this if it's not the best for me BM hunter. Just let me know plz, thannks.

Comentado por 98254

It's not like any Feral Druid's will get this over hunters, since Feral Druids are taken as Tanks and not DPS. (Unless the boss does not require the Druid to tank anything)

Comentado por Mmaster

As hit and haste are desirable for Feral Beats, and the sheer Agility is a huge boost. I can roll against Hunters for this?

Comentado por 304750

As a Retribution Paladin, Agilty and haste are nice for the obvious speed and critical strike chance increase.

But i have been playing this character long enough in retribution spec, to know that strength and attack power are the key elements to good damage per second. As the more attack power you have, the more spellpower you obtain, doing more damage when using your magical abilities such as judgements.

Being able to crit more often doesnt mean that you will be doing more damage, as if you are losing your base damage, crit strikes become a bit redundant.

Anyway what i am saying is i'd rather have an extra 150 top end damage, from 100str and 100ap on my melee swing than an extra 1-2% crit chance that the agility would give (bearing in mind i don't have the time or patience to work out exact stats).

58 haste is naff all in terms of % increase and in full naxx gear (or better) you should already be soft hit capped.

All in all i am saying unless you somehow managed to get him down with a ret pala who isn't using a 2H weapon like Demise (mace from Naxx) or better, in my opinion, this really wouldnt be an improvement on overall DPS.

Comentado por 260451

Very nice weapon now for a feral. Not so much on the Haste perhaps, but with our lack of +hit, this is a huge improvement.

Comentado por 311337

Yeah a lot of you say "x" is better and "Y" is better. Problem is 2H weapons have almost never dropped for me ( a DK ), and if they did, I lost a roll. This is why if ANY 2h weapons drop, including this one (black ice), I will be rolling on it.

@Sederath, Only the druids can see the Increase for their forms, you can not......

Comentado por 316429

When druids got polearm skill to make up for the now more hunter friendly versions of the feral staves.

Sharing is caring.

Comentado por 186762

I may be wrong about this, but wouldnt this wep make for a nice feral druid wep?

edit: i failed to see the comments above me ><

Comentado por Arkmage

Black Ice, from across the room
Down my drink while the rythms boom!

Comentado por 312006

1.7k dps is terrible at 80 just fyi. I was putting that out at 73 on my hunter dude. So dont think your a badass for putting out 1.7k dps in 25 MANS its pretty bad.

Comentado por 252994

Got to say im abit unsure about this weapon. Overall i calculated it and it adds up to roughly 287.2AP (Survival Spec) the buff off expose weakness is 27 more ap altho and i quote this with (relative certainy) with my gear it would increase my overall ap but would prolly make me lose a good 1.2% crit so on this basis it may well not increase my dps as substantially as people are expecting especially because im (often) not trying to do melee damage to a boss especially in a raid. Anyways if people want to question my maths please do but i am pretty sure its all correct. to summerise if your looking for those pretty 3k dps in raids this is the weapon for you but dont expect that your damage to corralate at the same rate.

Comentado por 259471

If I had a pet, I'd have an extra 600+ DPS.

That's why your class is a druid and not a hunter.

And, hunters do more DPS then anyone because of pets.

Well duh, that's their class, don't act like its something just "added" and not counted. It's part of their class >.> like shape shifting is a druids "main" thing.

And remember, we have energy bars in cat form, we cant burst damage on 2 minute fights unless in the first 8 or so seconds, without having to wait for our energy to fill back up

That 8 or so seconds should be better than a hunter then once your at regular pace you are at least close to them. The only reason the dps is lower is because cat form rotation is more complex than a hunter.

Comentado por 91000

This weapon also accounts for 27% of the hunter hit cap. That is a huge chunk of hit from one piece of gear. If you are hit capped through the rest of your gear, Journey's End is the alternative - if you can manage to pry it from the druids in your group.

Comentado por 327868

Most melee classes (except kittens ofc) would prefer Death's bite than this (10man content).
As far as hunters are concerned, some maths/thoughts:

Black ice provides (for surv hunters):

108agi => 124agi (post L.R.) => 62crit + 124ap
88sta => 26ap (post HvW)

Total dps stats: 72hit, 58haste, 62crit, 394ap (with a +110ap enchant)

Wraith Spear

90agi => 103agi (post L.R) => 52crit + 103ap
79sta => 24ap (post HvW)

Total dps stats: 120crit, 45haste, 363ap (with a +110ap enchant)

Claymore of Ancient Power

64agi => 74agi (post L.R) => 37crit + 74ap
78sta => 23ap (post HvW)

Total dps stats : 126crit, 387ap (with a +110ap enchant)

Hailstorm x 2 (probably the best 1hander in 10man raids)

62agi => 71agi (post L.R) => 35crit + 71ap
78sta => 23ap (post HvW)

Total dps stats: 62hit, 50ArP, 35crit, 266ap sans enchants.

Provided that we can use as much Hit as we can get without gimping other stats, 2x accuracy are BiS enchants. So Hailstorm x2 + 2x accuracy would wield:

112hit, 50ArP, 85Crit, 266ap.

In order to somewhat be able to make comparisons with such a plethora of stats, i will be judging stats using
the following formula: 1H.P. = 1crit = 1hit =1ArP = 1.3Haste = 2ap (since haste doesn't provide that much, even to non-capped - Steady shot speed- MM/Surv hunters).

Black Ice: 376 H.P.
Wraith Spear: 336 H.P.
CoAP: 320 H.P.
Hailstorm x2: 380 H.P.

The - much awaited - conclusion.
Hailstorm x2 would be the best choice (for a Hunter doing 10mans) IF we needed the whoping 112hit from the weapons. Enchanting anything else than 2x accuracy on the hailstorms would make them less efficient than black ice. Everything else is worst that these 2.

But since i am a TAUREN hunter and i like BIG weapons...i prefer Black Ice :)

Comentado por 328403

Black Ice is the new Legacy

Comentado por powlow

Is it because they are both polearms? Or because they both have hit? Maybe its the haste? No, I get it now, its because they both have mp5.

Comentado por 327769

I never said TG was a arms talent bro.... i said it wasent

Comentado por 126360

@Aerra

If your crit is <40% as survival then I wouldnt't get this.

Do you mean 40% raid buffed or unbuffed

Comentado por 335425

I wonder, for cat dps, what's better? This or journey's end? Journey's end has much better stats... except the all-too-important hit rating

Comentado por 329578

I actually think this weapon has way too much hit rating for a hunter. The hit cap for hunters is so low that 72 hit would be a total waste in most cases. I would pass this weapon to a melee class. Go for Wraith Spear (or better) instead.

Comentado por 119656

Personally, I am Frost DPS specced (17/54/0) and with my gear makeup I actually get better DPS with this than I do with Inevitable Defeat. I've tested this extensively (and somewhat incredulously). Obviously I lose str, but I guess the slower speed and higher top-end damage more than make up for it.

Freaking weird, man. At least it looks cooler.

Comentado por Sizdo

Not a bad item at all. The 3.50 Weapon Speed makes this item a definite choice for a Retribution Paladin, above Armageddon and Death's Bite in terms of improvement to Retribution DPS. However, if you have either of the items mentioned in your arsenal I suggest you pass on this for someone who needs it more than you do, as you won't see much change: it's calculated only ~1-2% more DPS added to your arsenal. Still, if no one wants it, go for it. A good item for Hunters, MS Warriors, Ret Paladins and Feral Druids alike.

Comentado por lizbliz

Leave it to blizzard to make the second best in slot hunter stat stick (next to Journey's end) the more badass looking.

Comentado por McBayne

Well the devil may care
You toss ‘em back and be a man
With the last time
Black ice
End of it all, end of the line
End of the road...
AoooOooOh BLACK ICE!

Comentado por 346934

i just won this last night on my hunter! I am pretty pumped. i thought it was funny hearing that people think it is weird for hunters to carry stave. I have carried one for a long time now. I had the one from 10 Naxx and before that the one from 25 Naxx. Stave usually have pretty good stats for a hunter. I havent carried a dagger or sword for a long time cause the stave or polearms are usually better. They also look really cool!

Oh and it does have a ton of hit on it. I was able to replace my hit gems with haste. I am still way over hit capped, but I am hoping with uldar I will get gear that has other stats rather than hit.

Comentado por 108694

This was listed as a suggested upgrade for my hunter from a PvE score site. Also listed were several 2 handed swords & staves. This was the only Non PvP polearm of this quality. There were several Feral staves of better quality. As a polearm weilding hunter, I would be super mad if a Druid or Death Knight were to roll on this.

Comentado por Okacz

Just lost my roll with a damn DK (im huntard ofc). Somebody should tell those guys that strengh is a bit better stat for them then agility. And getting this item when a hunter is in raid by DK is a sad thing imo.

Comentado por 243749

Hunters have it hard these day's, people think we should pass on every weapon for a melee class. so my hunter is supposed to rock some heroic blues all his raiding days i guess.

Comentado por 326144

I'm an arms warrior and I've seen this twice, passed both times (first to kitty druid, then to hunter). Yes it is a polearm which is nice for arms but the 108 agi is a lot of wasted itemization for all melee dps. If you're looking for a good top-end damage weapon/polearm wait for Cryptfiend's bite off Heigen in 25 naxx. Even if your guild doesn't run 25s it's easy to pug the plague quarter, and Cryptfiend stacks way more AP than black ice as opposed to agi, plus with 3.6 speed Cryptfiend is really better in every way (unless you need the hit of course, but personally I find enough hit on other gear). If you don't have a feral druid, hunter, or dk tank that needs this, go ahead and take it, but otherwise I'd suggest passing as to avoid being a melee n00b.

Comentado por 268034

Im damned bored of ppl saying this is not a DK Weap and when i roll hunter go like : OMG WTF MAN UR A DK!.

GEEZ Hunter cant see that they wont get anything from the end damage while me as a deathknigh will use it on the edge since its imps. my end damage by about 32 or what. Also good hit made me fully cap'd without having any hit gem(woohoo full on 16STR + 27STR) And for last... Who say'd DK's DONT need Haste(Check the Haste Truly its tier7.5 but stil..(Also look the t8.5 Makes u need no gemas at all with a such weapon)

Hopefully after 7Times down i got it

Cheers!

Comentado por 342726

This is a hunter weapon,
but if i had to give it to a melee class id go with a ret pally
i think arms warriors and DKs are better off with cryptfiends bite from 25 man naxx

Comentado por 366237

i have this and i have the armageddon ( i prob spelt tht wrong) from the four horsemen in naxxarams. I have 3.5k attack power unbuffed. Would it be better to use the armageddon for the strength and stamina on it or should i use my black ice for crit rating

Comentado por 317216

This looks so awesome!From my point of view one of the best looking weapons :) and i would love to have it on my main hunter.

Comentado por 292424

and i jizzed in my pants!

Comentado por darkboy

oh its nice & amazing polearm

Comentado por 317808

Its beutiful

Comentado por 384176

Could anyone imagine Duel Wielding these on a warrior? if only blizzard allowed duel polearms but still great stats and one of the better weapons so far in WOTLK

Comentado por 428450

This is a MUST have for every AC/DC fan! I am one and i play guitar :D But i already got a better weapon D,:

Comentado por 381701

ive seen a gnome fury war dual weilding it he looks so tight though =P

Comentado por 427528

ok its really anoyying when some moronic retadin dk or war go and roll when theres a hunter players would appreciate it ok for example in the future when something with hardcore hunter and all those other class stats and u uberly need it and a hunter wins how would u feel? so when a hunter rolls u should give it to the hunter if u win because in the future will remember "hmmm he/she might need that item ill pass on" .

Comentado por 462275

ninjae'd by a mage 10/4/09 can' really remember name im on frostwolf message me about thoughts

Comentado por wildowned1995

Hunter / Druid should have prio on (AP) Staff / Polearm cus, most melees like Retadins uses a axe, or a sword and its like 5% 100% hunters who uses sword, even less...

Comentado por 515320

Wow. This is one of my favorite weapons available to players. Hunters be lovin'! <3

Stats and model, ah-mazing.

Comentado por pewpewx

Dropped yesterday from the 10m Malygos encounter, just rolled on it because of its looks ;D

Comentado por 547599

This is just a question is it a good wepon for a unholy Dps Dk or Not

Comentado por 530887

you can get something thats better from a 5m reg instance so theres no reason to roll on this other than looks.
nuff said.

Comentado por kosta123

For a ret paladin, this is a great weapon to go for. Assuming u have a wep like Colossal Skull-Clad Cleaver, this is a weapon that you should be aiming at. It gives you very high amount of hit, and you will lose some str (and ap with that), but the top end dmg will be enough to cover the loss. Also, you will gain a lot more crit and that's one of the most important DPS stats. So if u need this weapon, don't be afraid to roll for it over a hunter. It's not a hunter wep only.

Comentado por 868014

I was looking at the Black Diamond Ring that Haris Pilton has and it says something about Black Ice :o

Comentado por 717981

Won this and then a ret pally begged me for it so I gave it to him, after which he acted like a total *!@# to me for taking it in the first place (?).

Never should've given it to him, and with the new transmog feature, I'm really regretting that decision...

Comentado por Nikeyeia

This weapon along with transmogging is the reason we need an option to hide enchants.

Comentado por Kazlehoff

Best (and largest) Polearm ever made.

Tauren druids go-to Xmog weapon. xD

Comentado por JezzebelPop

If you want this for Transmog, take into consideration that your enchants will be visible. As you know some weapons do not show the enchants placed on them such as my Kiril atm. When I mogged it into Black Ice I was a little bummed that my bright, leafy, green enchant was taking attention away from the more subtle lilac glow of the polearm.

Luckily Black Ice is a purplish weapon which marries well with green so it could be a lot worse. It's just When I was making my set up I did not take into account any green.

It also clips a bit with long capes so depending on how important that is to you, you may want to turn it off. Even with the glow and the clipping it's so pretty it can be forgiven very easily!

Comentado por MightyAntChavez

Pairs beautifully with Arco Longo do Gladiador Vingativo

Comentado por 975894

One of the best looking weapons in the game imo.

Comentado por Xarthat

This weapon may be the sole reason I want Blizz' to add raid-worthy strength polearms back. Just so I can transmog one of those into THIS. This weapon looks ridiculously cool.

Comentado por Rinsletify

Fun fact: When a hunter uses camouflage, a thin transparent square will surround the head of the staff making it look exactly like a lollipop with plastic around it.

Comentado por Allakhazam

Just saw it in Org on a DK - absolutely gorgeous (although absoultely perfect for a Hunter). Love the stats, too. Off of Malygos, I hear? Yeah, it'll be a while before I see that drop. ;_;
But I'll see it in my dreams!

Edited, Dec 11th 2008 11:04pm by beefbowl

Edited, Dec 11th 2008 11:04pm by beefbowl

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Duas mãos	Arma de Haste

570 - 856 de dano	Velocidade 3.50

(203.71 de dano por segundo)
+108 Agilidade
+141 Vigor
Durabilidade 120 / 120

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